Did this help Jeff? On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Peter Manis <peter.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My responses are going to be delayed, but look at inline comments. > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Jeff Lasman <jpli...@nobaloney.net>wrote: > >> This is a new thread started in response to Peter Manis's response to me >> on my >> thread: kde now really broken >> >> While the thread is not specifically or only linux oriented, threads such >> as >> this have been tolerated in the past. Please feel free to tell me >> otherwise >> and we can always end it. >> >> > While your issues may not be around kalarm and kmail directly they have >> > been mentioned many times either something not working or trying to keep >> > them intact while upgrading/reinstalling. >> >> Keeping data was a problem when I moved from Mandriva Linux 2005 to >> Ubuntu, >> probably because the file structure had changed to the point where I had >> to >> use the "import" function, and it lost me all metadata about each email. >> I >> didn't try importing KAlarm; I had few enough alarms that I could just >> recreate them manually. And I did. >> > > As far as keeping data I'd recommend something like Dropbox so it syncs > everything off as changes are made to ensure things are replicated > automatically. > > >> >> I had no problems with either importing .doc or the various formats of >> Open >> Office. >> >> After I'd done the import (and lived with the loss of meta data on the >> emails >> (a problem for me since we've always used the metadata [sent, replied to, >> etc.] to manage our customer relationship), the way Ubuntu (9.04, what I >> call >> the "disaster version") worked (or rather didn't) became the issue. >> >> From time to time email would just lock up for up to several minutes when >> I >> changed between mail folders. Since I manage tens of thousands of emails, >> I'm >> guessing the problem was with kmail's memory management. But it worked >> fine >> on our earlier Mandriva system with one gigabyte of memory and didn't work >> on >> the new Ubuntu install with 4 gigs. And the recent problem with kubuntu >> I've >> already discussed (cut/copy and paste), even though it resolved itself, >> finally pushed me to do something. >> > > This happens with large mailboxes. I've never had good experiences with > desktop mail because eventually its too big to deal with easily. I'm in the > hundreds of thousands in the cloud and have no complaints. > > >> >> I'd almost decided to move to Ubuntu, to face a mail import again, and to >> find >> another way of managing my customer history (prior to this every customer >> had >> a folder where all email relating to that client was stored). So I'd >> faced >> the fact that I'd need to find a mail client I liked (I really like kmail >> when >> it works). This time the issue was KAlarm. Yes, I know I can run it in >> Ubuntu; just add the KDE libraries. Which is exactly what I wasn't happy >> to >> do. And for a while I couldn't find a way to get KAlarm to run in Ubuntu. >> The >> details are fuzzy now, but I had problems with windows popping up without >> borders; no way to move them between screens or even to close them. >> That's >> been solved. >> >> My discussion with Randall led me to believe I should give 10.04 (a so >> called >> LTS release) a try. >> >> Now I'm almost done with it (still have to make some changes to the "look >> and >> feel" but that's easy enough now that I've caught up on my missed email, >> etc.) >> and so far it works. I was able to import the email and KAlarm. I >> couldn't >> figure out how to import my "Kontact" data, but i was able to rebuild it >> easily enough in about two hours. >> >> However I'm sure the future will hold even more import/conversion issues >> as >> the world moves on. >> >> So the "cloud" (I'm not sure I'd limit myself to Google) looks inviting. >> >> > Have you considered moving to Google Apps? It is far better than >> desktop >> > apps for managing both mail and scheduling even if you are just a couple >> > people. >> >> You probably have a more reliable internet connection than I do. DSL >> became >> too slow for me (Netflix on demand, downloading ISOs, etc). So I went >> with >> Charter Cable (gave up my static IP#s to do it). Speed is impressive; 16 >> mbps >> down, 1.5 mbps up, for about $60 per month. >> > > Sometimes I do, I'll have a business line at home soon, but I use the web > interface for multiple Google Apps and Gmail accounts simultaneously when > I'm tethered over my phone or on a USB 3g dongle or even over 56k dialup. > It might be slow at times, but its not unmanageable. When I travel I'm > usually using a shared wireless network or tethering over 3g or EDGE and I > still am able to work. > > >> >> Reliability is impressive to. Impressively bad. When it's just the >> internet >> (and they've had a lot of problems with just the internet), they won't >> even >> send a truck roll until they get something like ten or 20 complaints from >> the >> same neighborhood. Late night and weekends (when many of us like to work) >> I >> can forget it, because I'll be the only complaint until the next morning. >> They've been down as long as an entire day; that would be a disaster. >> > > It sucks when mail is down, but we use Apps internally and we are able to > cope during outages. > > >> >> I've got a Sprint MiFi, which I can use when the 'net isn't available, but >> it's limited to 5G traffic per month, and I'm not sure I should depend on >> that. >> >> As far as the apps themselves, perhaps I need to know more. Scheduling is >> not >> what I do with Kalarm. I use it to actually pop up an alarm on my screen >> (optionally with sound, optionally to send an email or SMS) to remind me >> of >> what needs to be done at that time. I don't know of any other program >> that >> does that, though undoubtedly some exist. I don't know a cloud based app >> could do that, and if it could I don't know that I'd want to give it >> accesws >> to popup on my desktop. >> > > There are notifications in Calendar. I have an Android phone so I get > notifications on my phone when I need to go to a meeting or need to do > something. > > >> >> So lets' move on to email. >> >> We've got sixteen email accounts, a bit over twice that many identities, >> and >> even more "forwarders". Every place I've looked, email is charged by the >> identity; I've never seen one that let's me create unlimited forwarders to >> one >> account. >> >> And I need all those identities for outgoing email; email has to come >> "from" >> the right neme and/or roll account, at the right domain. >> >> Can I do that with Google? Can i sort/filter on incoming email, including >> an >> alarm (sound file) on my local system when mail to certain accounts come >> in >> (for example to ring an audible "bell" when a support email from a current >> client comes in)? >> > > You can do a couple things here. You can easily filter email by who is is > going to, you can also have POP3 retrieval for an account and label all of > those incoming messages with a specific label (to catch those ones that are > to:nob...@yourdomain.com <to%3anob...@yourdomain.com>). You can also make > common domains go to a single account. So let say you have the following > email addresses. > > j...@nobalony.com > j...@ilovekde.com > j...@ilovepandas.com > > You can set all those up as aliases in the Apps dashboard and setup MX > records so they all actually go to one single account. Makes it a bit > easier than maintaining multiple accounts. There is also the option of > aliases, which I don't believe count towards your users since they are not > logins they are only email aliases. > > Sending mail from multiple accounts is no problem. There is a thing in the > settings to add multiple accounts and you just confirm the address from the > email they send you. Then when you send mail you get a drop down listing > all email addresses on the account and they come from that account. > > There are notification tools for Google Apps accounts. Some are browser > extensions and others are desktop applications. > > >> >> > I used to use desktop apps and when I finally gave it some time to be >> > entirely in the browser. 3 years later I have never looked back, and I >> use >> > the products now more than ever. >> >> I hope, Peter, that you're not simply trolling by your remarks, because if >> it's best for me to move to cloud email, then it is. And if it is, then >> someone needs to convince me <smile>. >> > > I'm definitely not trolling, or promoting just because I work for them. I > love Google products and have been using Gmail since it was invite only. > The first part of that was out of Outlook/Thunderbird. I didn't get the > whole "live in the browser" thing, it just didn't fit what I did. When I > started to Google I was needing to use calendar and mail far more than I did > as a consultant so I forced myself to live in the browser. I didn't have > to, but in the end it was one of the better things I've done. The > integration between all of the Apps is pretty amazing and I really do > recommend them to anyone I know. I've been using them for so long I never > actually setup a mail system for anyone simply because I always moved them > onto Google Apps. > > >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jeff >> -- >> Jeff Lasman >> Post Office Box 52200, Riverside, CA 92517 >> Our jplists address used on lists is for list email only >> Phone +1 909 266-9209, or see: "http://www.nobaloney.net/contactus.html"; >> _______________________________________________ >> LinuxUsers mailing list >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> > >
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