Hi

Thanks for your comment, I agree with you, in some cases (e.g., NERD) LISP
can operate as a push architecture. We used the term pull arcihtecture to
introduce the use of RLOC probing, please let me know if the following
paragraph clarifies the point that you rised:

In most cases LISP operates with a pull-based Mapping System (e.g., DDT),
this results in an edge to edge pull architecture. In such scenario the
network state is stored in the control-plane while the data-plane pulls it
on demand.  This has consequences concerning the propagation of xTRs
reachability/liveness information since pull architectures require explicit
mechanisms to propagate this information.  As a result LISP defines a set
of mechanisms to inform ITRs and PITRS about the reachability of the cached
RLOCs:

Albert


On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Eliot Lear <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry I didn't catch this earlier (attention elsewhere).
>
> On 3/3/15 11:09 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > DISCUSS:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Thank you for this document. It is really helpful to have a clear
> > introduction to LISP, and I appreciate the hard work that has gone into
> > producing this text.
> >
> > I have a small Discuss that is easily fixed. The essence is that you
> > should limit this document to a description of LISP and not try to use
> > it to bash other solutions.
> >
> > In Section 4.2
> >
> >    On the contrary BGP is a
> >    push architecture, where the required network state is pushed by
> >    means of BGP UPDATE messages to BGP speakers.
> >
> > You will be aware of RFC 5291 and the use of ORF to make BGP a pull-mode
> > protocol.
> >
> > (I won't say to you that LISP is push mode because a Map-Reply pushes
> > the mapping information from the map server to the client :-)
> >
> > So, my advice is to describe LISP in this document and to not make
> > comments about other systems. It isn't a beauty contest and it isn't
> > wise to try to say "my system is better/different from yours".
> >
> > The solution is to just remove this sentence.
> >
> > Similarly in 7.1
> >
> >    BGP is the standard protocol to implement inter-domain routing.  With
> >    BGP, routing information are propagated along the network and each
> >    autonomous system can implement its own routing policy that will
> >    influence the way routing information are propagated.  The direct
> >    consequence is that an autonomous system cannot precisely control the
> >    way the traffic will enter the network.
> >
> >    As opposed to BGP, a LISP site can strictly impose via which ETRs the
> >    traffic must enter the the LISP site network even though the path
> >    followed to reach the ETR is not under the control of the LISP site.
> >
> > Let's not get into the "BGP this, BGP that" debate. Just remove the
> > first paragraph and the first four words of the second paragraph. That
> > way you avoid all contention and write a document about LISP.
>
>
> I would go further.  Whether LISP is a pull- or a push architecture (or
> something else) is entirely a characteristic of the mapping system
> used.  The one in common use today is indeed a pull architecture.  The
> text discussing push/pull, therefore, should be addressed to the mapping
> system.
>
> Eliot
>
>
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