Dan, I'm not following your definition of a presentation server. Server side languages can server as the presentation server. Flex for example. Yes in CF's case it's HTML in the end, but it's CF that generates the HTML. If you don't agree with this then talk to Hal Helms, he taught in his Mach-II class.
- Daniel Elmore -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Blackman Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Where: Java with ColdFusion Daniel, I am not following you with this implementation of the MVC Design Pattern. ColdFusion is not a Presentation Server by any means. CF and JAVA can work hand in hand to implement MVC but I am not sure why you describe CF as handling ANY presentation at all. Your presentation layer is handled through FLASH MX or HTML. You can use CFC's and or Java servlets to handle your Controller and Model Layers, but CF and JAVA are server based programming languages. With CF, we architect solutions to separate the CF from ANY Front End functionality, albeit it does have the capabilities of rendering graph's, etc. Any how, I look forward to any response because I am curious as to how you came up with this concept of CF as a Presentation server. Thanks in advance -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Elmore Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Where: Java with ColdFusion I think the big picture is that ColdFusion is meant to be your presentation server. In the MVC design pattern, ColdFusion would generate your Views, then Java would work nicely as the Model for the business logic, and then you could use something like Mach-II or Fusebox as the Controller. I think Macromedia has made this especially clear with the new features of Blackstone. Notice all the focus and work was put into forms and reports and graphs, while virtually nothing has changed with CFC's. ColdFusion is still lacking much to handle true OOP and it doesn't look like Macromedia intents to change this. -Daniel Elmore -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PC Carraway Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Where: Java with ColdFusion I don't know if this is a can of worms, but where would you use Java with CF? I could see it used to create a more indepth CFFile custom tag, but I'm would like to know where it could be used on a larger scale such as an application. ---------------------------------------------------------- To post, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm To subscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm ---------------------------------------------------------- To post, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm To subscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm ---------------------------------------------------------- To post, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm To subscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm ---------------------------------------------------------- To post, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm To subscribe: http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm
