And anyone seriously thinks one can negotiate with him and what he
represents in good faith?


In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kent Crispin writes:

[...]
> For the WMB application (In the interests of avoiding possible
> Intellectual Property entanglements I shall use "WMB" from now on,
> instead of "BMW" :-)) we have the following submitters:

> ITAA -- 11000 members
> INTA -- 3200 members, 113 countries
> EuroISPA -- Largest ISP association in the world
> ICC -- 7000 members, 63 countries
> AILPA -- over 10000 members
> ISOC -- 6000 members, 150 countries
> WITSA -- International Consortium of organizations
> ECE -- New European organization just started w/ support of
>       european commission
> CORE -- 85 registrars, 23 countries
> POC -- represents 200+ MoU Signatories
 
The figures are laughable. Note that DNSO.ORG is not listed as
supporting the DNSO.ORG "WMB" draft. That's correct, because I doubt
anyone in there but the lobbists and Kent support it.

> This represents substantial business, user, registry/registry, and
> general internet organizations.

This represents nothing. 

 
> For Paris we have the following submitters
> 
> NSI - one business

That would be the understatement of the year.

> ORSC - a mailing list and a shell corporation

Not the difference between POC and ORSC.

> AIP - 8500 internet professionals from 50 countries
> 
> The Paris draft has an additional list of supporters, who were not
> submitters:
> 
> DNRC -- 3 or 4 lawyers
> DSo Internet Services -- a company
> ICIIU -- Michael Sondow
> Image Online Design, Inc -- a company
> ISP/C -- a respectable internet organization, membership numbers uncertain

Note the "respecteable", 

 
> I should note that the WMB has a *very* large number of
> non-submitting organizations that support it.  But we elected not to
> try to submit such a list, because it would be rather unwieldy, and
> a lot of work to assemble, and the list of blanket organizations was
> impressive enough.

That's a Jeff Williams, not even fitting on the Kent-Meter.

[...]

All in all 8 on the Kent-Meter.

el

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