Ole and all,
The problem with Scotts questions is that they are suggestive in the
very nature in which they were couched, hence leading to Carls
correct, I believe response....
Ole J. Jacobsen wrote:
> Carl,
>
> Please read Scott's message again. He wasn't stating an opinion. He said
> "I have heard..." and "Do other people have an opinion...?" And the fees
> he was referring to had to do with web page access, presumably low cost
> access. (But for members so that *may* be an issue).
>
> It's not that we should support document fees of course, but we can at
> least have a discussion about the issues.
>
> Ole
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen
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>
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>
> On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Carl Malamud wrote:
>
> > > Scott Bradner wrote:
> >
> > > > Tony mentions:
> > > > > Organizations such as the ITU charge neither a small fee
> > > > > nor one for processing. The fees are typically large, often
> > > > > applied vicariously,
> > > >
> > > > there seem to be mixed views of the level of fee that, for example, the ITU
> > > > changes on its web page for access to individual documents. I've generally
> > > > heard that this level of fees is not seen as a practical problem (though
> > > > a strong idelogical one) - do other people on this list have an opinion
> > > > about this issue?
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> >
> > Scott -
> >
> > You've been spending way too much time in Geneva. It isn't an
> > "idelogical" [sic] problem ... it is a real issue for working
> > engineers (as opposed to standards professionals). Just
> > yesterday, I needed to consult an ITU doc and decided not to
> > do so because of the cost. I ended up getting the information
> > I needed by finding an early draft document, but finally decided
> > to use another set of standards that are readily available.
> >
> > If you think those fees are reasonable, you haven't been
> > paying attention for the last ten years. If you think
> > the cost is not an issue for students, engineers, and others
> > that should read this crucial information, you should spend
> > less time in more meetings and more time behind an emacs
> > editor. Truly disappointing to hear a Vice President of
> > the Internet Society issue such a statement ... ranks right
> > up there with disallowing people with hotmail.com addresses
> > from participating in the IETF mailing list.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
Regards,
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