"trust is that which is essential to a communication channel but cannot be transferred from a source to a destination using that channel" *see end of msg for source* how about giving thought to this in the context of our current discussion? Trust has to be built up by people actions over a period of time...other wise we have the disconnects and recriminations that are tying all of us in knots. seems to me that the actions of esther dyson and mike roberts disqualify them from ever be accepted or trusted here until such time as they change them strongly enough to build up a foundational pattern. and here is a little more from this interesting source: "trust is that which is essential to a communication channel but cannot be transferred from a source to a destination using that channel" and can be directly instantiated into more usual terms, as "trust i= s that which you rely upon to make decisions", as derived in the paper, Section 3. The paper also provides the relevant context, in Section 2. A summary of the trust definition context is cited in Peter William's book Digital Certificates. This book cites the section of the e-mail message which was its first public reference, in January 1998: as: (begion quote) " At http://www.mcg.org.br/trustdef.txt, commencing with a quotation from Shannon's Information Theory, Edgardo Gerck leads Internet discussion with an assertion that: "In Information Theory, information has nothing to do with knowledge or meaning. In the context of Information Theory, information is simply that which is transferred from a source to a destination, using a communication channel. If, before transmission, the information is available at the destination then the transfer is zero. Information received by a party is that what the party does not expect -- as measured by the uncertainty of the party as to what the message will be." Shannon's contribution here goes far beyond the definition (and derived mathematical consequences) that "information is what you do not expect". His zeroth-contribution (so to say, in my counting) was to actually recognize that unless he would arrive at a real-word model of information as used in the electronic world, no logically useful information model could be set forth! Now, in the Internet world, we have come to a stand off: either we develop a real-world model of trust or we cannot continue to deal with limited and fault-ridden trust models, as the Internet expands from a parochial to a planetary network for e-commerce, EDI, communication, etc. And, what would be this "real-world model of trust" for the Internet world? Here, akin to Information Theory, trust has nothing to do with friendship, acquaintances, employee-employer relationships, loyalty, clearance, betrayal and other hard to define concepts. In the concept of Generalized Certification Theory (see http://www.mcg.org.br/cie.htm), trust is simply "that which is essential to a communication channel but which cannot be transferred from a source to a destination using that channel". " Quote from - Chap. 7, Definition of Trust in security and discussion, copied under authorization, in Peter Williams, et.al., "Digital Certificates: Applied Internet Security" Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-20-130980-7, 400 pgs, CD-ROM, Oct 1998. Please see also From Towards Real-World Models of Trust: Reliance on Received Information Ed Gerck Copyright =A9 1998 by E. Gerck and MCG, first published on Jan 23rd, 1998 in the mcg-talk list server All rights reserved, free copying and citation allowed with source and author reference. The formal definition of trust is given in Section 2 of the paper at http://www.mcg.org.br/trustdef.htm *************************************************************************** The COOK Report on Internet What Happened to the White Paper? 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ICANN a Sham. (updated 10/25/98) See (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) http://www.cookreport.com/whorules.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] Index to 6 years of COOK Report, how to subscribe, exec summaries, special reports, gloss at http://www.cookreport.com *************************************************************************** __________________________________________________ To receive the digest version instead, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___END____________________________________________
