Michael Sondow wrote:
> John B. Reynolds a �crit:
>
> > This is am unfortunate but entirely predictable consequence of
> allowing the
> > initial constituencies to "self-organize" - easily the worst Paris Draft
> > provision to have found its way into the final DNSO structure. In the
> > absence of explicit, non-ambiguous eligibility guidelines,
> interest groups
> > are encouraged to attempt to define constituencies narrowly in order to
> > control outcomes.
>
> Possibly true, as far as the eventuality is concerned. But your
> characterization of it as a consequence of the Paris Draft is
> inaccurate. The other draft wanted to pre-define the constituencies
> as excluding individuals, which was worse. Before making your
> mistaken statements and rewriting history, you'd be better off
> studying the facts and trying to get them right.
>
The facts are that the provision under which constituencies "self-organize"
comes directly from the Paris Draft, while the Washington Draft defined
eligibility criteria much more clearly than the current structure (let alone
the Paris Draft, which didn't define the initial constituencies at all and
would consequently have led to complete chaos). Another fact you
conveniently ignore is that I recognized the Washington Draft's exclusion of
individuals at the time, and expressed my opposition to it.
> > An example of this is the case of the NCDNHC, where one
> > prospective organizer is ignoring ICANN's clear mandate for individual
> > participation,
>
> Are you referring to ISOC here? I'm not aware that they have
> actually said anywhere that they exclude individuals. Maybe you can
> give a reference before making accusations. Unless you want to fall
> into the class of posters whose members include Jeff Williams and
> William Walsh.
>
Yes, I'm referring to the ISOC-led group, as was Bret Fausett in the message
I replied to. That group's proposed eligibility rules can be found at the
following URL: http://www.icann.org/dnso/ncdhupdate.htm. They include the
following:
CRITERIA FOR CONSTITUENCY PARTICIPATION
Based on the belief that it is impractical to have both individual
members and organizations as voting members within a constituency, the
NCDNHC proposes
that stakeholder organizations, holding domain names, which are organized
not-for-profit under the laws of any jurisdiction, and organizations which,
although not
formally incorporated, are recognized as having substantially
similar purposes, e.g., educational, religious, charitable, or professional,
shall be eligible for membership.
Perhaps you should do your own research before accusing others of failing to
do so.
> > while the other would redefine "non-commercial" in a way that
> > would disenfranchise many legitimate non-commercial organizations.
>
> I take it you are referring to the ICIIU here. If so, your statement
> is untrue. The ICIIU definition is worded specifically NOT to
> disenfranchise legitimate non-commercial organizations, and to
> exclude those which are illegitimately pretending to use the
> non-profit corporation cover as a smokescreen for commercial
> activities.
>
First of all, as William Walsh has pointed out, the ICIIU has no more
real-world existence than INEG. You yourself have admitted that it has no
membership (which, by the way, makes it ineligible for NCDNHC membership
under your proposed rules). You are the 'Jeff Williams class' poster, not
I. I have never pretended to speak for anyone other than myself.
As for your proposed NCDNHC rules, excluding organizations that receive the
majority of their funding from commercial organizations would exclude most
charities and cultural organizations from participation. Are you asserting
that they are not legitimate non-commercial organizations?
> Your characterizations are inaccurate and untrue. You are spreading
> false information. What is your purpose? Do you think you will get
> attention by spreading lies?
Perhaps you should answer that question as it relates to yourself.
> Maybe you will, but it won't be the
> sort of attention you want, I don't think.
>
> I am removing your name from the list of sign-ups through the ICIIU
> procedure. The ICIIU is under no obligation to assist you in joining
> the NCDNHC when you are spreading lies about us. You can join the
> constituency on your own, or through another organization.
>
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