Kerry and all,
Kerry, you should be commended in trying to get William on the right
track, but I am afraid you have wasted your time in your efforts.
Many of us have tried in the past, with the same result. You may
gain some temporary reprieve with William's twisted view of the
world, but only a reprieve, as he will assuredly return to his patterned
ways as sure as the sun rises. The "World according to Garp"
is a worthwhile book to review in understanding this sort of thinking
that William displays. I liken it to "The internet/market according to
William". Not very realistic and full of accusations of socialistic or
some other sort of missive behavior will be included in his responses
to others insistence of seeing the internet for their own purposes and
from a different perspective. But William will have none of that, to
be sure!
Nice try Kerry, and thank you for trying. I am sorry that you will
be soon disappointed, however... >;)
Kerry Miller wrote:
> William,
>
> > As a consumer you are a part of a market, you make certain choices.
> > These choices include which TLD to register under, which internet
> > provider to use, etc.
> >
> > None of what has been discussed on this thread had any relation to
> > privacy policies with regard to unsolicited advertisements.
> >
>
> I think Mark is trying to say that the Net is not *only a
> market(enhancing) device in the same way as he is not *only a
> consumer. It may be that the choices he has available to make are
> provided by (and curtailed by) markets, in the same way that his
> terminology and references have been conditioned by marketing-
> enhancers -- and all of this not only 'has any relation' but is
> absolutely central to privacy policy, and net administration.
>
> Isnt it ironic that your own use of the language (for instance,
> lumping Ronda's arguments for a common good in with 'failed
> socialism') is clearly *not the result of your deliberate exercise of
> 'market choice' in languages, but merely echoes a widespread
> *collective pattern of capitalistic speech? But I accept that you are
> convinced you have 'adopted' it -- that is the word, isnt it? -- and
> thus fail to see that your rhetorical dogma, in castigating Mark's
> individualism as somehow contrary to free-market principles,
> contradicts itself.
>
> If you could grasp that fact, you might then notice first, that your
> vaunted markets are dominated by corporations which are not
> individualistic at all, but just as centrally-directed as the 'socialism'
> which 'failed' (will we say 'WXW failed' when you die at 80?); and
> second, that they survive only because they are embedded in a
> social matrix of ideas -- can you say 'common sense'? -- which
> defends individual competence (what 'your' language calls
> competition). But I rest easily, assured that you wont notice any
> such thing (because you have been adopted by that famous
> couple, Divide and Conquer (no, not in the Garden, but the Field of
> Levelplaying if my free translation of Kurukshetra isnt too far off ;-)),
> and only speak their language of Absolutism. Thus there's no need
> to go on to explain the _dialectic of materialism_ and how
> 'collectivism' and 'individualism' are two conceptual poles between
> which *all human systems have ever organized themselves.
>
> No, there's no point in so abusing this list (where most people have
> already got over that *relativistic point), until you demonstrate that
> you can think for yourself. The persuasive evidence of that (insofar
> as there is any market for evidence at all) will be when you give up
> the pontifical role ("The people who use the internet are a "market"
> ) and speak for yourself.
>
> Try it - you'll like it!
>
> kerry
>
> P.S. I apologize for my lack of profundity. I really wish I could say
> things like 'The Law is not your mommy or daddy" every time I post.
>
>
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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