Hi Jay,
I think (among other things) you forgot what Charlie Nesson did during
the Boston meeting (I know it was more than 2 meetings ago but we
should have some sense of history).
I join Diane in thinking you're a bit off base here (actually a lot
off base but a bit is sufficient for this discussion). There are
plenty of very valid targets for frustration out there.
Dan
Jay Fenello wrote:
>
> Hi Dianne,
>
> I'm glad that you wore a ribbon, and I'm
> glad that you have fought for open meetings
> on the MAC. And as one of Berkman's newests
> appointments, I hope your perspective works
> its way into the Berkman center, instead of
> the other way around.
>
> My complaint, however, still stands.
>
> Jay.
>
> At 06:24 PM 7/11/99 , Diane Cabell wrote:
> >Gee, Jay, I wore a gray ribbon the whole time in Berlin.
> >
> >The MAC (with Berkman research support) voted to recommend that *all* meetings of
> >the ICANN at-large membership meetings be open to the general public as well as to
> >the membership. Only two of us on the MAC demanded open meetings when the committee
> >first got underway, but by the end of the project, we had near unanimity on this
> >point and by then were holding our own meetings in the open as well. Working on the
> >MAC allowed us to spread that word beyond this listserv and the results were good.
> >
> >Lessig is part of Berkman but other faculty may have differing views and not all of
> >them get the kind of press that Larry does or even feel that the media is the best
> >place to influence policy. You will not find Berkman (or any other division of
> >Harvard) claiming to represent the political opinions of its personnel; those
> >opinions are personal, not institutional. It may take a position on legal issues,
> >but not on politics.
> >
> >My recent criticism of particular ICANN decisions has been reported in the press,
> >but it has obviously escaped your notice. Dad blinked and missed it too, though.
> >
> >Diane Cabell
> >Berkman Fellow
> >HLS
> >
> >
> >
> >Jay Fenello wrote:
> >
> >> You're right Jonathan,
> >>
> >> My apologies for not being specific enough.
> >>
> >> Berkman has added much to the openness of many
> >> of the ICANN functions, and I was wrong to state
> >> my complaint as it is stated below.
> >>
> >> My reference was to this sudden change of
> >> wind. The Commerce Department *now* saying
> >> that closed board meetings are un-acceptable.
> >>
> >> Then, we get this from Joe:
> >>
> >> >ICANN officials say they're happy to comply. "It's actually quite a
> >> >positive development," said ICANN Counsel Joe Sims. "What happens is the
> >> >debate takes place among the same small group of knowledgeable people, and
> >> >each of them have their own axes to grind. Unless we're doing an absolutely
> >> >awful job, getting light shone on it ought to be good."
> >>
> >> What a Crock!
> >>
> >> And while Berkman was there to provide web
> >> broadcasts, I don't remember Berkman ever
> >> taking a critical position against ICANN
> >> (except Larry Lessig, whom I still greatly
> >> admire and respect).
> >>
> >> It seems no-one dare do so in public, until
> >> the tide turns, then everyone jumps on the
> >> bandwagon.
> >>
> >> Like I said, I'm tired of this brinksmanship.
> >> These conciliatory moves are simply too little,
> >> too late.
> >>
> >> Fool me once . . .
> >>
> >> Respectfully,
> >>
> >> Jay Fenello
> >> President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-943-0524
> >> -----------------------------------------------
> >> What's your .per(sm)? http://www.iperdome.com
> >>
> >> At 02:34 PM 7/11/99 , Jon Zittrain wrote:
> >> >Jay,
> >> >
> >> >See <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann>,
> >> ><http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rcs>, <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/ifwp>,
> >> ><http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/whois>.
> >> >
> >> >Webcasts of meetings, open MAC sessions, open research (remember our
> >> >January meeting?), remote participation architectures, and a comprehensive,
> >> >free primary source archive of that which has come from both IFWP and
>
> >> >ICANN--openness isn't something the Berkman Center has come to only lately,
> >> >and the extent of our institutional participation and labor has been all
> >> >about building and refining architectures for openness. And civil
> >> >exchange. For my part, I don't think I'm acting "conciliatory" after
> >> >coming around from an opposite view. I'm simply trying to engage on the
> >> >list respectfully, after a long period of not participating at all because
> >> >of the tired, personal nature of so many of the exchanges. ...JZ
> >> >
> >> >At 02:16 PM 7/11/99 , Jay Fenello wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Well, isn't this just grand.
> >> >>
> >> >>After 9 months of complaints by many members of this
> >> >>list, and many members of the Internet community in
> >> >>general, it now seems that *everyone* agrees with us.
> >> >>
> >> >>Oh, how comforting.
> >> >>
> >> >>Too bad that neither the Commerce Department, nor
> >> >>the Berkman Center, nor ICANN itself ever seemed to
> >> >>care about sunshine and openness before.
> >> >>
> >> >>Frankly, I'm tired of this game of brinksmanship.
> >> >>These conciliatory moves are simply too little, too
> >> >>late.
> >> >>
> >> >>Fool me once . . .
> >> >>
> >> >>Respectfully,
> >> >>
> >> >>Jay Fenello
> >> >>President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-943-0524
> >> >>-----------------------------------------------
> >> >>What's your .per(sm)? http://www.iperdome.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Jon Zittrain
> >> >Executive Director, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School
> >> >http://cyber.law.harvard.edu
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Diane Cabell
> >http://www.mama-tech.com
> >Fausett, Gaeta & Lund, LLP
> >Boston, MA
> >
> Respectfully,
>
> Jay Fenello
> President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-943-0524
> -----------------------------------------------
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