On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 12:24:53PM +1200, Andy Gardner wrote:
> >
> >I know it is hard for you to realize this, but the world doesn't
> >revolve around IDNO.  ICANN actually has a lot of other stuff to
> >worry about, and very limited resources with which to deal with
> >them.
> 
> "Very limited resources"? They had quite a sizeable cash injection to get
> started, but seem to like holding meetings in expensive hotels in expensive
> locations.

Arrangements for conferences don't always go as one would like, and 
one can't always arrange to find a cheap hotel.  However, no one was 
forced to stay at an expensive hotel, and I understand that some 
people did find cheap accomodations.  Personally, I attended via the 
webcast, and that only cost me a couple nights sleep.

The MoU was signed almost 8 months ago.  From the MoU:

  PARTIES ESTIMATED SIX MONTH COSTS 

  A. ICANN 

  Costs to be borne by ICANN over the first six months of this
  Agreement include: development of Accreditation Guidelines for
  Registries; review of Technical Specifications for Shared
  Registries; formation and operation of Government, Root Server,
  Membership and Independent Review Advisor Committees; advice on
  formation of and review of applications for recognition by
  Supporting Organizations; promulgation of conflicts of interest
  policies; review and adoption of At-Large membership and elections
  processes and independent review procedures, etc; quarterly regular
  Board meetings and associated costs (including open forums, travel,
  staff support and communications infrastructure); travel,
  administrative support and infrastructure for additional open
  forums to be determined; internal executive, technical and
  administrative costs; legal and other professional services; and
  related other costs.  The estimated six month budget (subject to
  change and refinement over time) is $750,000 - 1 million. 

However, there have been significant overruns in legal costs
attributed to unanticipated NSI issues.  So ICANN is pretty close to 
budget.

> What _is_ the point in having a meeting in Santiago?* Has ICANN done a
> version of their website en Espa�ol? If not, do they expect many local
> people down there to attend? That was the reason behind having meetings in
> far flung places, wasn't it?

You believe, then, that all board meetings should be held in Los
Angeles?  And of course, you would be opposed to any board meetings 
being held in New Zealand.

> *No offence to the people of Santiago intended here.
> 
> How much resource is required to recognise a legitimate consdtituency that
> will be representing a very large population of Internet users? THey could
> have doen it in Berlin at zero cost. THey will be able to do it in Santiago
> at zero cost?

It's not a legitimate constituency, in my opinion, and in the 
opinion of quite a few others.  No other constituency flashes up a 
little "loyalty oath" when you try to join.

> C'mon Kent, you're just saying the same old quotes in an attempt to knock
> IDNO off course.

IDNO is already off course.  It may very well become an interesting 
organization in its own right, but it is not a constituency for 
individual domain name holders.

-- 
Kent Crispin                               "Do good, and you'll be
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain

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