[IFWP] Re: Re[2]: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

[Planet Communications Computing Facility]

As I expected there are no gurantees.  The issue is not weither the
Berkman Center is composed of angels - or fruits aging in fine wine, it is
privacy, a right granted to democratic societies.

On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote:

> Sunday, August 22, 1999, 8:08:31 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > you can provide gurantees of this?
> 
> She doesn't have to, Jeff.  Those of us who have been involved for any
> length of time, and have actually worked with those who are involved
> from the Berkman Center have real experience in how they work and in
> the quality of their work.  We have real work experience from which to
> base our judgements in this are.  We aren't trying to see how many
> angels fit on the head of a pin as a theoretical exercise.
> 
> 
> > Regards
> > Jeff Mason
> 
> > --
> > Planet Communication & Computing Facility           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, eileen kent wrote:
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> >> I think Edelman's logic holds up just fine. I also think that there are
> >> no legitimate privacy concerns. I believe that Edelman is talking about
> >> aggregate data which does not necessarily infringe upon anyone's personal
> >> right to privacy. Also, while it's probably not pertinent from a legal
> >> aspect, they're certainly not gathering data for any nefarious
> >> purpose--or even a commercial one. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Eileen Kent
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> At 06:04 AM 8/22/99 -0400, Planet Communications Computing Facility
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> >>>>
> >> 
> >> <excerpt>Hello: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The information posted here respects ICANN policies on real video 
> >> 
> >> transmissions.  Were inviting individuals to contact us privately if they 
> >> 
> >> should have any concerns respecting the ICANN's position on video feeds. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.pccf.net/correspondence/icann/19990819-edelman-icann.html 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Regards 
> >> 
> >> Jeff Mason 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
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> >>         icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed
> >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:36:45 +0200 From: Ben Edelman
> >> <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 
> >> You wrote: > That's not what I want.  I need the real server pnm URL you
> >> intend to use > in that broadcast. Jeff, I haven't planned to allow links
> >> directly into the realmedia feeds; while I may or may not implement
> >> technology to block such links (i.e. HTTP Referer tracking and similar
> >> methods), I tend to strongly discourage such links -- for reasons that I
> >> think are pretty compelling: * Just as will be the case for speakers in
> >> the room, submitters of remote comments have to identify themselves and
> >> their organizational affiliation, if any.  Now, it is true that merely
> >> attending the meeting is distinct from participating in it, and perhaps
> >> visitors to your site merely want to view the meeting and not submit
> >> questions or comments.  Indeed, mere viewers / audience members need not
> >> necessarilly register, but I understand that registration will be
> >> encouraged among physical attendees in Santiago, and it's therefore also
> >> requested of online viewers.  But, if you bypassed the registration page,
> >> those who reached the meeting through your link would have no opportunity
> >> to sign in.  (This sign-in information will also be useful for tracking
> >> geographic diversity and types of Internet connections used; while the
> >> corresponding two sign-in questions are optional, they'll gather helpful
> >> information re the people interested in this  content, and I hesitate to
> >> lose the opportunity to gather this data.) * Remote participation in
> >> ICANN public meetings is a "rich" experience incorporating multiple media
> >> types.  If you linked only to the RealAudio or RealVideo feed, those who
> >> reached the live feed through your link would miss out on the ability to
> >> submit realtime comments, to review the notes of the real-time scribe, to
> >> join the online chat, to see what's coming up in the agenda, and to view
> >> PowerPoint presentations or other supporting documents used in the
> >> meeting.  I believe that these other means of participating in the
> >> meeting are of critical importance, so I'm not inclined to deny any
> >> online participants at least the opportunity to use these additional
> >> components (by bringing these options to their attention after sign-in).
> >> But, if users accessed the Realmedia through your link, they wouldn't
> >> know about the other opportunities available to them. * The ICANN
> >> meetings do not take place in a vacuum.  I've been told that it's helpful
> >> for me to remind participants in prior ICANN meetings of upcoming events.
> >>  But if participants bypassed the registration system, they'd not be
> >> added to that list and wouldn't receive announcements of related events
> >> -- or of the availability of the comprehensive archive of Santiago, for
> >> that matter. All that said, I'm certainly open to further discussion of
> >> your request.  If you find my reasons unpersuassive, I'd be interested to
> >> hear why, and I'd also be interested in hearing from you why you think
> >> visitors to your site would be better served by a link directly to the
> >> RealMedia than to the general sign-in, FAQ, and instructions pages that
> >> have worked fine in the past and that I believe will be most helpful to
> >> remote participants this time too. (FYI: I'm still on vacation, and will
> >> be in transit to Santiago all day Saturday.) Ben Edelman Berkman Center
> >> for Internet and Society Harvard Law School 
> >> 
> >> ----------------
> >> 
> >> <<19990819-mason-icann.html>NEXT 
> >> 
> >> </excerpt>
> >> 
> >> 
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