Thanks for the heads up! I'm not real crazy about google's ideas with
regard to what applications should be running, and their desire to
have everything on 'the cloud'. It's my hope they'll see enthusiasts
like us and realize they're hurting themselves by not making things
like this easily removable.

At any rate, dont have an android based phone but anticipate getting
one. I'll be sure to research rootability prior to making a purchase.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, William L. Thomson Jr.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I must say for as much as I like Android how they bundled and force
> software to be running and/or installed you may or may not want. Feels
> like stepping back in time with operating systems.
>
> That its built on Linux sometimes makes me wanna puke. Now I know my
> phone (HTC Dream/G1) is getting outdated hardware wise. However when I
> think about how long like 500mhz cpus were around. You can still get
> some use out of them today, even using X at a higher resolution than my
> phone is running. Yet phones are up to 1ghz, soon dual core, etc,
> craziness. Next will be virtualization on your phone...
>
> Now of course I have updated and put software on my phone that was never
> intended to be on it. However the software is overly bloated in ways it
> need not be. After much frustration with apps doing things unwanted and
> performance sucking. I finally took some action.
>
> I flat out removed/deleted some unwanted stuff, Gmail, GTalk,
> VoiceDialer, VoiceSearch, and its amazing how well my phone performs now
> without them. I even installed Auto Memory Manager[1] and that helps in
> addition to the rest.
>
> Now why am I posting this to a LUG, aside from the obvious on Android
> being Linux based. The solution to removing stuff in part is common
> Linux technique. You need a rooted phone, and terminal emulator. But
> from there all Linux. Remount rootfs as rw, and you can delete
> applications via their apk files :)
>
> Got the following from a link below[2]
>
> su
> mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblk3 /system
> rm /system/app/Gmail.apk
> reboot
>
> In this case I also removed GTalk.apk, VoiceDialer.apk, and
> VoiceSearch.apk. Now some talked about GTalk being necessary for the
> market to work. My market still works even without that, so not sure
> what all thats about.
>
> The performance of my phone immediately was better after reboot. I could
> not believe how much resources those apps consumed and wasted, and I
> don't use any of them. It also sucks that one cannot easily remove said
> unwanted software. One has to have a rooted phone, and also have some
> familiarity with the Linux command line.
>
> Anyway might want to poke around your Android device if you have one and
> see what all your not using, but might be running and using your battery
> life, if not bothering you at all.
>
>     1. http://www.google.com/search?q=android+auto+memory+manager
>     2. 
> http://www.droidforums.net/forum/tech-issues-bug-reports-suggestions/82730-how-delete-apk-files-using-terminal-emulator.html
>
>
> --
> William L. Thomson Jr.
> Obsidian-Studios, Inc.
> http://www.obsidian-studios.com
>
>
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