I shudder to think what the legacy code those COBOL coders have to wade through. Or maybe I'm wrong in assuming that every COBOL app out there is at least as old as I am.
ColdFusion is doing just fine -- I personally believe that it's in part due to an increase in the complexity of the language/ the more frameworks, packages, components out there/ etc.. This increases usefulness (and thus demand) and requires us CF people to be more savvy, not just people who could do HTML and learned how to do queries and loops, increasing both the job opportunities and starting salaries. It's a good time to be a geek. //dylan On 5/24/07, Eric Knipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave, In principle I agree with you, ColdFusion is not dying. Please note: I heard from a friend the other day that a company headquartered in the same building was looking to hire fifteen COBOL programmers. So I guess its a bumper market for COBOL too. Eric On 5/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Eric, > > My point is that if it was dying, then demand should go down, even if > the general job market is going up. For example, I can't see that the > Clipper job market is going up along with the general job market. It has > been dying for years (if not already dead). I'm sure that those on this > list that have programmed in other languages say, 10 years ago or more, can > think of languages that are really 'dead' or 'dying' that aren't offering > MORE opportunities, whereas ColdFusion IS rising with the general job market > which tells me, it's right on par with everyone else. > > Of course, that said, ColdFusion will probably never be installed in as > many environments as .NET simply because it's not Microsoft and for some > reason, alot of IT departments do alot of things just BECAUSE they are > Microsoft. I'm a fan of MS in some places, but not in others. Some people > just need to be more objective when it comes to them and determine which > software package fits the needs instead of just saying, "let's make that > Microsoft package do it." Now I'm digressing.... > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *On Behalf Of *Eric Knipp > *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:18 PM > *To:* Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [DFW CFUG] Dying Computer Skill??? > > > The job market is pretty great for job seekers right now in general, > not just ColdFusion, so I don't think that the anecdotal evidence is really > that relevant. And it isn't just limited to IT. I just hope that things > keep going even after the presidential election. > > On 5/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > And do you know how much we will spend in Tax dollars for all those > > government organizations to swith from ColdFusion to Ruby on Rails? Give me > > a break.... > > > > Of course, we are all a little biased here, of course, but if you > > simply look at the number of Jobs posted on CF-Jobs compared with one year > > ago at this time, it is obvious that demand for programmers is going > > higher. And, as both a developer, and a recruiter, I can tell you that > > there are too many CF jobs and not enough developers to fill them (at least > > not enough that want to work on-site). Yet another benefit showing that > > because of demand, many CF developers are getting the opportunity to work > > OFF-SITE because no one can find one to come work in Timbuktoo. > > > > Oh yeah, I wonder if we compared the number of CF developers who work > > OFF site to the number of .NET developers who work OFF site, relative to the > > TOTAL number of developers, who would win? I use this as an indicator, > > because off site development proves that the company has a demand for a > > skill that they are willing to allow someone to telecommute (in most cases > > anyway - sometimes it's also logistics). > > > > Apparently, we are all doing SOMETHING right.... > > > > Dave > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *On Behalf Of *Christopher Jordan > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:44 PM > > *To:* Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List > > *Subject:* Re: [DFW CFUG] Dying Computer Skill??? > > > > > > I'd be willing to bet that they haven't looked at CFML since version > > four (or there abouts) of ColdFusion. Also, It's pretty difficult to prove > > his point since a lot of CF programs aren't accessible to the public. > > > > Quick! Someone tell Boeing that they're using a dead language! > > > > Also, to quote (or paraphrase) Quintin Tarantino, "The less apt a man > > is to make declarative statements the less apt he is to look foolish in > > retrospect." > > > > Chris > > > > Ryan Everhart wrote: > > > > Guess they haven't seen CF8 yet.. > > > > On 5/24/07, Dave Shuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have been hearing the "dying language" kind of stuff since I > > > started working with ColdFusion in 2000. All I have to say is "thank God > > > for dying languages!" > > > > > > ~Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/24/07, Eli Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > Check this article out on CF... > > > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9020942&pageNumber=2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > > > [email protected] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > > > List Archives: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > > > www.instantspot.com/ > > > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Dave Shuck > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://daveshuck.instantspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > > [email protected] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > > List Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > > www.instantspot.com/ > > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ryan Everhart > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Blogging @ http://blog.ryaneverhart.com/ > > > > Have you gotten your InstantSpot yet? > > http://www.instantspot.com/referral?c=n3fpjscv > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > List Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > www.instantspot.com/ > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > > > -- > > http://cjordan.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > List Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > www.instantspot.com/ > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: > [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > www.instantspot.com/ > www.teksystems.com/ > > _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ www.teksystems.com/
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