Chris, I am referring to WebSphere, WebLogic, and their ilk. I have not done much research into open source J2EE servers but JRun has not had a patch in 2 years. That alone should tell you volumes.
Eric On 7/12/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Eric, thanks for responding. By competition are you referring to Blue Dragon or something else? Thanks, Chris Eric Knipp wrote: Do keep in mind that JRun is a pretty crap J2EE server. Its very limited compared to the competition. On 7/12/07, Joe Kelly < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chris, > I can't say the coding would be any different. But there are certainly > more capabilities with Enterprise. If you client wants to foot the > bill, go for it! > Product Edition comparision > http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editions/#s2 > > > Thanks > Joe Kelly > > On 7/12/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joe, thanks for responding. > > > > Joe Kelly wrote: > > > Chris, > > > My employer had intentions of going through the same scenario with 3 > > > different boxes for each stage, except that we are using RedHat and > > > Apache with Oracle. Adobe Professional Services (Universal Mind) > > > recommended that we eliminate the middle tier and run Apache and CF > on > > > the same box, which we do now. I would imagine the same would hold > > > true for IIS and CF. It made a lot of sense because Apache/IIS > really > > > don't have a lot of overhead. > > > > > The IT manager at my client feels like it's a security risk to have > > anything but the webserver in the DMZ, and that's his *only* concern. > > I'm not even certain it's a valid concern. > > > As far as clustering, I would recommend (so does Universal Mind!) > that > > > you use a hardware load balancer over CF clustering. The overhead > is > > > about 25% to 50% more for each server to maintain the sticky > sessions. > > > > > > Enterprise will give you the ability to have several instances of > CF. > > > This way you could run your Development, Testing and Production > > > environments all on the same box - in separate instances. So when > > > your hokey dev code crashes the server, it will only be the > > > development instance that goes down. > > > > > > Licensing - if you have 2 boxes with CF, you will need 2 licenses, > so > > > clustering later will require a license for each box running > CF. You > > > may not have any real justification for Enterprise right now, other > > > than it's really cool and powerful with more features and will > require > > > less change/adjustment when clustering comes later. > > Well, it's actually my client who wants to get Enterprise, but they > > still want to know what the benefits are. So do you think that 300 to > > 500 users is enough to justify clustering? > > > > > > Another idea to throw in is VMWare. You can "mirror" all your CF > > > instances across all your clustered CF servers and they will be > > > identical. Plus you have a backup for disaster recovery. > > That would be cool. We're using VMWare for email servers at some of > our > > other client's, and that's pretty slick stuff. > > > > Also what about coding in Enterprise? Any differences, or changes in > > technique necessary to take advantage of clustering or anything else > > nifty that Enterprise offers? > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > Joe Kelly > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/11/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi folks! :o) > > >> > > >> I need some advice. > > >> > > >> I just got out of a meeting with my client and one thing that came > > > >> up is > > >> whether or not to move to CF Enterprise Edition. The IT manager out > here > > >> wants us to move to a three tiered architecture where we have our > web > > >> server > > >> in the DMZ, and both our application server and database server > > >> separate. > > >> Currently we run IIS on the same box as CF (which is running as a > > >> service), > > >> and we access tables in two different types of databases (and old > > >> version of > > >> DB2 and some very old FoxPro tables... I know: not technically a > > >> database). > > >> > > >> I understand that with the enterprise edition CF comes the ability > > >> to do > > >> clustering, which we may want to do in the future, but I don't know > a > > >> whole > > >> heck of a lot beyond that, and in fact have never really used the > > >> enterprise > > >> edition before. > > >> > > >> My client is under the impression that we cannot do this sort of > > >> three-tier > > >> separation using the standard edition of CF, and to be honest, I > > >> don't know > > >> that that's *not* true. > > >> > > >> So the very general question is what benefits do we get from > > >> switching to > > >> the enterprise edition? > > >> > > >> More specifically though: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Is my client right? Can we only do this sort of three-tiered > > >> architecture > > >> using the enterprise edition of CF? > > >> We're anticipating that we will have between 300 and 500 users > (give or > > >> take) when all is said and done. That compares to *maybe* a hundred > > > >> users > > >> right now. Is that sufficient to require clustering? > > >> If we do end up getting enterprise and wanting to cluster servers > > >> together, > > >> is that difficult to set up? And... > > >> > > >> ... would I have to make any changes to the way that I code to take > > >> advantage of clustering? > > >> What are the advantages/disadvantages of running CF as a service > versus > > >> running it as an instance on a J2EE application server? (am I > saying > > >> that > > >> right?) I'm anxious to hear what everyone has to say about all > this. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Chris > > >> -- > > >> http://www.cjordan.us > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Reply to DFWCFUG: > > >> [email protected] > > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > >> http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > >> List Archives: > > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > >> DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > >> www.instantspot.com/ > > >> www.teksystems.com/ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > > List Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ > > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.cjordan.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > List Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > www.instantspot.com/ > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: > [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > www.instantspot.com/ > www.teksystems.com/ > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ www.teksystems.com/ -- http://www.cjordan.us _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ www.teksystems.com/
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