Thanks Joe - that is several good places to start. Tom
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Kelly Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:46 PM To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] CF8 Enterprise Tom, My company enlisted Universal Mind (sub contracted from Adobe Professional Services) to help us install CF 7 on RedHat. Our contact was Matt Hintze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. He was the one that told us this and we took him at his word, after all, he's a professional! He was a very nice guy and probably could point you in the right direction for the data you need. The numbers he presented were quite compelling and turned us off of CF clustering right then and there. Another possible contact for you could be Patrick Quinn of WebApper or SeeFusion. We saw him at cfunited (or at least I did). This is question he could answer off the top of his head. Interestingly, Matt and Patrick know each other. Sorry I couldn't help you out more than this. Let me know if these guys cannot help you out. I may be able to help research more. Thanks, Joe Kelly On 7/16/07, Tom Woestman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I would like to discuss this with my sys admin folks - do you have any > pointers to articles etc or personal experience testing the hardware vs > CF load balancing options? > > Thanks, > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Kelly > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:22 AM > To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] CF8 Enterprise > > I have to throw this in again... > You will get much better performance with a hardware load balancer > than clustering using CF. > Thanks, > Joe Kelly > > On 7/13/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Adrian, thanks so much for your input. > > > > See further comments and questions below. > > > > Adrian J. Moreno wrote: > > > Christopher Jordan wrote: > > >> So the very general question is what benefits do we get from > > >> switching to the enterprise edition? > > >> > > >> More specifically though: > > >> > > >> 1. Is my client right? Can we only do this sort of three-tiered > > >> architecture using the enterprise edition of CF? > > > > > > Yes you can, we're working on implementing this in the next couple > of > > > months. > > Yes, but is it *only* possible to set up this kind of three-tiered > > situation using the enterprise edition, or can it also be done using > > Standard or Professional? > > > > > >> 2. We're anticipating that we will have between 300 and 500 users > > >> (give or take) when all is said and done. That compares to > *maybe* > > >> a hundred users right now. Is that sufficient to require > > >> clustering? > > > > > > Doubtful. You may only need a pair of load balanced CF Standard > > > servers for that few users. > > Thanks, that's sort of what I thought > > > > > >> 3. If we do end up getting enterprise and wanting to cluster > servers > > >> together, is that difficult to set up? And... > > > > > > It's not really difficult, just annoying. > > How is it annoying? > > > > > >> 4. ... would I have to make any changes to the way that I code to > > >> take advantage of clustering? > > > > > > We've got 8 clustered CF servers and I don't think we code any > > > differently than I have in the past. You only have to write things > > > differently if you're doing OO with multiple instances and are > placing > > > objects into application or session variables. > > Okay. I think that's what I was looking for. We don't really do OO > (not > > yet anyway), but we do make use of CFCs to hold queries, and other > code > > reuse. > > > > > >> 5. What are the advantages/disadvantages of running CF as a > service > > >> versus running it as an instance on a J2EE application server? > (am > > >> I saying that right?) > > > > > > When you create an instance of CF on Windows, there's an option to > > > create a Windows service for it as well. > > > > > > When you run multiple servers and multiple instances on each server, > > > when an error occurs you need to know exactly which server & > instance > > > the user was on when it happened. Go to > > > http://www.unitrinspecialty.com and Ctrl+A to select all the text on > > > the page. We place that info in white text under the footer and pass > > > it in hidden field values on the form that users get when an error > > > happens. > > I see the server and date information. That's cool. > > > > > > Unless you're going to need Event Gateways (aren't they going to be > in > > > CF 8 Standard?) or multiple instances I don't see any reason to go > to > > > Enterprise. But if you do and you don't want to use JRun, CF 8 > > > officially supports JBoss. There's no need use Weblogic or some of > > > those other high dollar J2EE application servers when JBoss is free. > > We're running CF as a service on Windows Server 2003 R2, and there is > an > > instance of JRun in our task manager. In an earlier post Eric Knipp > > suggested that JRun wasn't the greatest J2EE server. Do you (or anyone > > else) think that we'd get better performance (even while running as a > > service) if we were to use JBoss? Or is JBoss something you only use > > when *not* running as a windows service. > > > > Sorry for all the bonehead questions. I really appreciate everyone's > > help and advice! :o) > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > http://www.cjordan.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > List Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > www.instantspot.com/ > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: > [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > www.instantspot.com/ > www.teksystems.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: > [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > www.instantspot.com/ > www.teksystems.com/ > _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ www.teksystems.com/ _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ www.teksystems.com/
