(TIC mode: on)

I think it’s obvious that:

- ESF is a front for the NSA
- the acquisition which closed last year was really just about gaining control 
of a critical component of Internet infrastructure.
- the delays getting 2.1 out the door were exclusively about getting some 
last-minute backdoor code installed.  AYBAB2U, baby!

(TIC mode: off)

On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Thinker Rix <thinke...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-09 18:20, Paul Kunicki wrote:
>> I think that in light of the recent news of the NSA coercing various 
>> organizations to provide them with means to eavesdrop this message has merit 
>> and deserves response
> 
> Exactly, Paul, you got my point!
> 
>> although I doubt the NSA really needs cooperation from these guys. Does 
>> anyone else care to comment ?
> 
> @your doubts about the NSA/FBI/<put the name of your government's 
> surveillance institution here> bothering with smaller companies such as 
> Electric Sheep Fencing LLC (formerly BSD perimeter) and their niche product 
> pfSense:
> 
> Please take these 2 things into account:
> 
> 1. Recently they forced the small encrypted-email-service "Lavabit" to comply 
> with them (hand out their SSL-masterkeys & install a "black-box" at their 
> premises). Lavabit did not agree - and they shut him down. 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit. Officially they wanted to force 
> Lavabit to just hand out Edward Snowden's emails (bad enough), but in reality 
> they wanted to gain access to all emails of Lavabit by receiving the SSL 
> masterkeys and by placing the blackbox at their premises, which rendered the 
> whole service useless.
> 
> 2. Routers/Gateways/Firewalls are highly interesting for big brother. Read 
> e.g. this article "NSA Laughs at PCs, Prefers Hacking Routers and Switches" 
> (https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-September/011287.html)
> 
> So, combining those 2 facts - the fact that the NSA/FBI/etc. prefer to 
> infiltrate routers with the fact that they very well bother knocking the 
> doors of small businesses with niche products, I guess my question is quite 
> legitimate!
> 
> Greetings
> Thinker Rix
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