On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eugen Leitl <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:50:53PM +0200, Jim Thompson wrote: > >> IMO, this bullshit thread only serves to assist those asking the question in >> stroking their own ego. > > Sorry, this is not BS. The situation has changed, and we have to adapt.
The situation did not change with the Snowden revelations. Anyone following along has known what was going on for at least the last decade. The only thing that has changed is that now outrage has become popular. The New York Times’ James Risen and Laura Poitras penned an article a couple weeks ago titled ‘NSA Gathers Data on Social Connections of U.S. Citizens” in which they make the claims based on documents leaked by “Edward Snowden”. “… the National Security Agency has been exploiting its huge collections of data to create sophisticated graphs of some Americans’ social connections that can identify their associates, their locations at certain times, their traveling companions and other personal information, according to newly disclosed documents and interviews with officials… … according to documents provided by Edward J. Snowden… … The new disclosures add to the growing body of knowledge in recent months about the N.S.A.’s access to and use of private information concerning Americans” New York Times See: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/nsa-examines-social-networks-of-us-citizens.html?pagewanted=all William E. Binney (perhaps you should google him) was speaking directly to Laura Poitras when he said these words slightly over a year ago: “The purpose is to be able to monitor what people are doing. You build social networks for everybody that then turns into the graph then you index all that data to the graph which means you can then pull out a “community” with an outline of the life of everyone in the community. And if you carried it over time from 2001 up you have 10 years of their life you can lay out in a timeline. That involves anybody in the country” William E. Binney, Aug. 2012, speaking to Laura Poitras in HER documentary "The Program" http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html?_r=0 Do you think she forgot this interview while she was writing an article in the New York Times last month that she was told this “groundbreaking” revelation long ago? Because she never mentions Binney in her new article. Why? Seriously, ask yourself why. She also doesn’t mention key things like “Stellar Wind” or NarusInsight. These are real programs. For all we know, Pyramid is nothing more than a Powerpoint deck created for a psyop purposes. Maybe it’s real, and maybe this is all a smokescreen for something else. How many of you people now questioning pfSense understand that Edward Snowden despised classified leaks in back in 2009, and that he was not always the champion of transparency that he has apparently become. ArsTechnica published IRC chats where he railed against a New York Times story about the U.S. rejecting an Israeli request for aid to attack an Iranian nuclear site and the United States' covert efforts to sabotage Iran's nuclear program. "Are they TRYING to start a war? Jesus christ. they're like wikileaks," he said in the chat. "they're just reporting, dude," said another user. "moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?" he said. "those people should be shot in the balls." Snowden, in the chat, also criticized reporting on classified information: "is it unethical to report on the government's intrigue?" asked a user in the chat. "VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no." he responded. "meh. national security." responded the user. "Um, YEEEEEEEEEEEES.that shit is classified for a reason," he said. "it's not because "oh we hope our citizens don't find out. it's because "this shit won't work if iran knows what we're doing." "I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable," Snowden said. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/exclusive-in-2009-ed-snowden-said-leakers-should-be-shot-then-he-became-one/3/ >> It doesn’t contribute anything to the project. > > It clarifies a few things. Please don't knee-jerk about it, this is not going > to improve things in any way. So “be a pussy” is your answer to handle this? jim _______________________________________________ List mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list
