Elan,
> Hi Cheryl,
>
> In all fairness, your complaints do not appear to be based on reality.
>
> you wrote:
> >Well, either that's what going on at rebol.org or the site must be under
> >alien attack! It's funny you should mention wiki. Please explain what
> >happened to the HTML source at http://www.rebol.org/web/wiki.html.
>
> It's right there (as of right now).
>
I'm viewing that web page under IE 5.01 and right in the middle of the HTML
text for the source code of wiki is a form to fill out with a submit button.
Does any one else get this? Seems like pretty strange (if not alien)
behavior to me. Or could it be a security hole in my browser?
> >
> >Most of your response would be useful to have in a "mission statement" or
at
> >least something to let visitors to rebol.org know what it's about and how
> >they can contribute. It's interesting that you can go and modify wiki,
but I
> >see no information at the site telling me how I can do the same thing.
>
> The Wiki source code can be downloaded. The HTML version can be viewed.
> What's the problem?
>
> >That
> >is, why do you have certain access privileges to this site and I don't.
>
> What is your argument here? Why on earth should you have the same access
> privileges to the rebol.org site? Since when is it policy on the Internet
> that every Web site visitor gets root privileges to Web sites he/she
visits?
>
> >Besides the script submission policy, I see no other way to make a
> >contribution to help improve the site.
>
> Submitting a script isn't bad.
The problem, the argument, or the complaint is that people continually have
problems submitting scripts to rebol.org. The archive is a testimony to
this. It's clear that improvements in the submittal engine, possibly wiki,
need to be made.
>
> You can always propose improvements (including offers to contribute HTML
> etc.) to the feedback address at the bottom of the Web page.
>
> >
> >I believe that whoever maintained the mailing list last year did not
> >understand its usefulness to the REBOL end user community.
Who is responsible for the rebol.org website. This is not clear. Why can't
others help improve or make suggestions? If we are allowed to, then how do
we do this? You mention rebol.org. Is this mailing list another avenue? I'd
like to see a mission statement on rebol.org.
>
> Someone went through the trouble of setting up a mailing list archive.
> 1. He did not understand its usefulness?????????
> 2. Why lash out at whoever it was?
>
In fact, I did express my appreciation off-list to the person who did this.
However, it's been a couple of months, and I am quite aware of what effort
it took, but the archive and searching capabilities need to be improved.
None of us live in a vacuum. One can easily compare the archive at rebol.org
to other mailing list archives and see a world of difference.
> >This was proven
> >last year when I and others asked where we could find an archived and
> >searchable mailing list. Within two months of my initial request, we
finally
> >saw a searchable, web-based mailing list archive.
>
> So, what! Gee, how long should it have taken? A mailing list arvhive is
not
> a Hamburger.
>
> >In a recent posts, we have
> >heard of people having problems with using the mailing list, indicating,
at
> >least to me, that it needs to be improved.
>
> What problems? In what ways do you think it needs to be improved. If
you're
> interested in improvements, why not propose them?
>
> >I, as well as others would like
> >to see the mailing list go back further in time.
>
> Ah, you're talking about the archive, not the mailing list. So much
> complaining, for such a little point?
>
> What's the point of storing old messages reporting problems in early
> versions of REBOL? Problems that have been fixed?
It's not just old messages on problems. It's history! I'm particularly
interested in the origin of "parse". It appears that "find" may have been
it's predecessor. I'm not going to say anymore about "parse" because I'd be
starting a revolution (or would it be rebolution) of attacks on me. I'm
waiting for REBOL/VIEW to come out before I have any more to say about
"parse". My comments are already in the archive and at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But let it be known, all the discussions to date on "parse" have been what I
have expected.
>
> >Who do we go to for this?
>
> Again, why not use the feedback email address at the bottom of the
> rebol.org homepage?
>
> >Has anyone asked REBOL Technologies to take this over so that we can see
a
> >more professional search system implemented?
>
> Why is REBOL Technologies responsible for the professional implementation
> of a user based REBOL Web site?
But do we really need a solely user based web site. Why can't everybody work
together?
>
> Why not you?
>
> >Just having a link on the
> >rebol.com website to this mailing list makes good marketing sense.
>
> They do.
>
I see no link on http://www.rebol.com/support.html. And you know very well
that's where people go to subscribe to the mailing list. Why is there no
mention of an archive?
> >REBOL
> >Technologies places at lot of articles by reporters praising REBOL on
> >rebol.com, it should at the very least offer potential users the
opportunity
> >of seeing what "real users" of REBOL are saying and how they are using
the
> >programming language.
>
> They maintain this mailing list including SELMA that runs it. You can
> subscribe to this mailing list on their Web site. Give them a little
credit.
>
I do. But I also want the "quality" that other sites give me be it a LINUX,
Python, or PERL mailing list. And, I know that REBOL is fully capable of
doing this at a low cost.
Still in touch with reality,
Cheryl
