Hi, Problem is not only with Hotmail, I have gmail account and it is being disabled every other day too.
Regards, DV On Sat, 5 Jun 2021, 23:12 Amir Sarabadani, <[email protected]> wrote: > Being "at fault" is a misleading term here. It's a bad interaction between > hotmail and mailman3, that's for sure but it doesn't make mailman3 > problematic here. I'm not saying it didn't start with the mailman3 upgrade > but it doesn't make mm3 the party that needs fixing. > > A little bit of technical explanation. Hope that helps. mm2 used to send a > completely different set of headers with the email. For example, These are > headers of two different emails from the same mailing list in mm2 and mm3: > > mm2: > > To: [email protected] > X-BeenThere: [email protected] > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 > Precedence: list > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2625870431424236464==" > Subject: [Cloud] [Cloud-announce] New Wikireplicas available, timeline > update, and Quarry migration > X-BeenThere: [email protected] > List-Id: Wikimedia Cloud Services general discussion and support > <cloud.lists.wikimedia.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/cloud>, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/cloud/> > List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> > List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud>, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> > > mm3: > To: [email protected] > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) > X-MailFrom: [email protected] > X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; > loop; banned-address; member-moderation; > header-match-cloud-announce.lists.wikimedia.org-0; nonmember-moderation; > administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; > no-subject; digests; suspicious-header > X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.3 > Precedence: list > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8712432623581038340==" > Message-ID-Hash: JURBYMBXANC3LR6AWNCO26AB6CZH3Y7E > X-Message-ID-Hash: JURBYMBXANC3LR6AWNCO26AB6CZH3Y7E > X-MailFrom: [email protected] > X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; > loop; banned-address; member-moderation; > header-match-cloud.lists.wikimedia.org-0; nonmember-moderation; > administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; > no-subject; digests; suspicious-header > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [Cloud] [Cloud-announce] Mounts for Scratch NFS changing a bit > tomorrow (2021-05-27 around 20:00 UTC) > List-Id: Wikimedia Cloud Services general discussion and support > <cloud.lists.wikimedia.org> > Archived-At: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/JURBYMBXANC3LR6AWNCO26AB6CZH3Y7E/> > List-Archive: > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/> > List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help> > List-Owner: <mailto:[email protected]> > List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> > List-Subscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> > > It can be that hotmail needs X-BeenThere header which is removed (because > it's deprecated in 2007: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman3_Migration#Email_filters) > or the extra headers trigger the hotmail's spam detection. I'm clearly > speculating here as I have no knowledge of the internals of hotmail and can't > help you in that part but these headers doesn't make mm3 problematic. > > > On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 11:19 PM Trijnstel wp <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I agree with Leon. Like I said: this didn't happen before the upgrade, so >> perhaps the upgrade is the problem? And an email from the WMF to Hotmail >> would indeed be more convincing... problem is that the CU-l emails do not >> end up in my Junk email so nothing to do from my part. >> >> In any case, I disabled bounce processing for CU-l for now. >> >> Trijnstel >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* Leon Haanstra <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 5 juni 2021 23:07 >> *Aan:* List for discussions related to list admins on lists.wikimedia.org >> <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* [List admins] Re: Subscription disabled due to a bounce >> score? >> >> It would be more convincing if such a request would come from someone >> affiliated with the WMF, someone with authority, instead of a random nobody >> like myself who represents nobody but their self. Also, the theory that >> hotmail is the problem and that contacting them could resolve anything >> needs further explaining/better arguments. >> >> Regads, >> >> Natuur12 >> >> On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 10:58:27 PM GMT+2, Amir Sarabadani < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> It seems the checkuser-owner is being targeted by spammers. For now you >> can disable bounce processing >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/checkuser-l.lists.wikimedia.org/settings/bounce_processing >> >> From the look of the issue, it seems hotmail has a strict policy for spam >> and/or it needs updating for mm3, maybe contact hotmail support for this >> and explain that it's wikimedia and we just upgraded our mailman version >> and they need to adapt their filters? Google has a button on spam emails >> you can click to say "it's not spam" and it helps improve their spam >> detection models. Maybe hotmail has something similar. If so, please use >> that. >> >> HTH >> >> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 8:16 PM Trijnstel wp <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> PS. Note that since the upgrade more emails from the various mailing >> lists were put by Hotmail in the Junk mail... That never happened before. >> >> Trijnstel >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* Trijnstel wp <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 5 juni 2021 20:04 >> *Aan:* Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]>; List for discussions >> related to list admins on lists.wikimedia.org < >> [email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* [List admins] Re: Subscription disabled due to a bounce >> score? >> >> It's a weird situation. Like I told Kunal: I've never had problems >> before, only after the upgrade and only for checkuser-l. >> >> I was afk for a few days, and only now I noticed my email got disabled >> again on 1 June. So I missed quite a few emails. As checkuser-l isn't >> archived I can't read them back (only when someone emails me the missing >> emails...). I think we should do something about this on our part. I don't >> think the problem is my email. Perhaps Hotmail as a whole? >> >> Trijnstel >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 1 juni 2021 17:32 >> *Aan:* List for discussions related to list admins on lists.wikimedia.org >> <[email protected]>; Trijnstel wp <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [List admins] Subscription disabled due to a bounce >> score? >> >> I was just notified of 25 unsubscriptions from the Wikidata mailing list >> (and 2 on WikiIT-l). They were probably all "real" bounces, and mostly >> they were former WMF or WMDE staffers whose mailbox was presumably >> disabled, but I saw some addresses that I know for sure are working. >> >> Google, Microsoft and others are known to lie about mail delivery. It's >> possible that by sending an unusual amount (or rate) of email to some >> non-existing addresses we got somehow treated like spammers, and some >> messages to existing mailboxes were treated as the kind of spam that is >> bad enough to bounce back with a lie but not bad enough to be silently >> discarded. I have no idea how to debug this for Google or Microsoft >> mailservers but I've suggested one user whose email is on a personal >> domain name to file a bug with any logs they might have. I hope that's >> fine. >> >> Federico >> _______________________________________________ >> Listadmins mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> To request technical changes for a specific list, please instead create a >> task in Phabricator. 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