P.S For those that are interested: http://www.kare.com - it's an interesting site!
On 1/11/07, James Crooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry, I thought Microsoft were the first to come up with the different cursor styles. I thought that when Susan Kare (designer of the cursors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Kare ) spent time at Microsoft doing graphic design work she came up with the cursor we all know and love to argue about. I apologise for not knowing my cursor history. I'd rather not argue over an opinion - I have statistics to do that for me. Cheers guys. On 1/11/07, Nick Fitzsimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11 Jan 2007, at 12:53:59, James Crooke wrote: > > > So what does everyone think would suit a clickable button, > > (default) arrow > > cursor or finger-pointer cursor? > > > > (For now, let's forget the fact that Microsoft invented the > > convention of a > > default arrow and that we all tend to give in to the default > > attributes to > > prevent breaking conventions.) > > What makes you think MS invented it? On my Mac, the cursor remains in > the default state (arrow) when over a button. This has been the case > since I started using Macs in the early 90s. The behaviour is the > same in all applications, and is in accordance with the Apple Human > Interface Guidelines [1]. > > When using a site which turns the cursor to the link-style cursor > when hovering over a button, I would tend to assume that it wasn't a > button (which causes an action [2]) but a hyperlink (which merely > causes navigation) styled to look like a button. Links and buttons > aren't the same thing, in terms of the fundamental principles of UI > design, which is why they give different feedback. > > If your buttons are just links that look like buttons, then set the > cursor to the link-style cursor; if they are action buttons, then > leave them with the default cursor. The conventions were established > for a reason. > > If users are confused as to where or how to click on a site, that > would suggest to me that the design has deeper problems than can be > fixed by mucking about with the default behaviour of the system. > There's no reason that graphic design can't enhance usability, but if > it hinders it, it becomes a problem. > > Regards, > > Nick. > > [1] <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/ > Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGCursors/chapter_15_section_2.html#// > apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002724-TPXREF101> > > [2] <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/ > Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_2.html#// > apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000359-TPXREF186> > > -- > Nick Fitzsimons > http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > -- James
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