Hi folks, great conversation we got going here. :)

I just checked a site I did that uses suckerfish and swfObject...

iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3)

The flyouts actually behave very well when the Flash is animating (no flickering or anything - perfect)... but when the Flash stops animating that is when the flyouts misbehave: some of the sub-menu items stay hidden until you roll-over them.

Seems like when Flash quits re-drawing, that is when the menus act funky.

Might be an interesting test to setup something that forces Flash to invisibly re-draw...

Tom Livingston wrote:
If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know.
I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to
remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion.
Hover effects on the menu that is... :P

Moving on... Can we make a list of possible solutions for Safari (for those having problems)?

1. Design a menu system that does not use "flyouts" for Safari (i.e. browser-sniff)
2. Avoid using "flyouts" completely.
3. Design your site so that Flash does not interfere with crucial GUI elements like the navigation
4. Accept the problem -- It is still somewhat usable, right? :)

Other suggestions?

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