On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:00 PM, cv wrote:
Jim Trascapoulos wrote:
Well, I'm going to disagree. If I understand the reason
correctly, the application is impossible to get to because it
offers nothing but a GUI, and frankly, if you don't want a GUI
what are you doing on OSX? Use Darwin or Linux. Sure, severe, but
I appreciate the barrier that Little Snitch provides and I'd like
to make sure it stays intact and not be weakened because of a GUI
vs. CLI philosophical battle.
Peace all!
- Jim
You're really rude !
I was afraid it would be taken poorly - sorry, but that's that the
"PEACE" was for. I'm not worried about the user experience - of
course, if the user chooses GUI or CLI, it's their choice. But - the
point was (and excuse me if I mangle this a bit) that the developers
don't believe that a CLI-based interface is nearly as secure as a GUI-
based one, it would compromise the basic tenants of LS.
I support that decision because the rules aren't hard to add in the
GUI, and frankly I don't want LS diminished one iota because some
users just refuse to use the GUI. It's virtually never the GUI but
rather the terminal you have to watch. I don't believe for one minute
that because someone uses a terminal, their requests are more serious
or more valid than the GUI users, or the developers for that matter.
If you thought me rude, please excuse me if my point was brusquely
made, but I support the developers in their choice and I certainly
don't want my app weakened because of Terminal laziness.
Really... Peace all!
- Jim
I work in Unix computers. I love Apple products. I used to have a
PC and run Linux on it. but even with Linux, a PC is a PC. When G5
and OsX came out, I reached to it, as it was the best of both
worlds : a great GUI, a lot of pro apps (Adobe...) and... a Unix core.
I won't go back to linux because of a firewall problem. That is,
you do have CLI + GUI on ipTables, which is the Linux built-in
firewall.
Having a CLI will not change life for people who don't use it (and
maybe never heard of a shell/terminal). It will not make things
harder for you. It will not compromise anything if it's well
integrated and it will not make the application bigger. I'm really
supprised of your post. How could you be against a feature that
will not change your life and may help others ?
Sometimes you can't have a remote desktop, and you're really happy
to be able to work within a shell. If you prefer to have on osX
nothing more than windows can offer you, it's your choice. As osX
have powerfull CLI capabilities, i'm just asking to have software
use it.
The conclusion may be : I'll try to find a way to STOP LS from the
CLI. That way, i'll compromise my computer instead of
"compromising" people who don't use the CLI.
Sorry for the forthcoming SPAM and spyware attacks... :)
Finaly, I'll just give an example of CLI/GUI integration that
works : Temperature Monitor
It's a small app that drow graphs of CPU heat. Thay add a command
line tool to gather data... and beeing able to graph it on your own
(with Cacti RRD tool for me). So I can have the Temp of my computer
wherever i want on my admin web site...
If you don't know it you'll never know there is a CLI. But if you
need it, it's here... it's just that simple.
--
Prune
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