Amen! I am one of those last people that experienced 1945 firsthand (end of WWII, I am a dino).. Sat on the side of the hill and watched dog-fights among fighter planes. Then came 1945.... At the time we were grateful that it wasn't the "Red Horde" overrunning my domicile. Despite the fact that I lost close family members to the American forces moving thru, I never associated America as the culprit' war is shit and has it's casualties. My Stars and Stripes fly in my window in the teritorrty of PR, I ended up being a more patriotic US citizen then most born in the USA, because I have seen the other side. Unfortunately we have too many people watching TV sound bites that have never been outside the mainland.
There, 'nuff said Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Norm of Bandersnatch To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Lovely Japan I have met plenty of Japanese that are charming and kind, and some that are neither, but the Japanese behaivior in victory that was seen during WW2 was by most accounts singularly horrid. American behaiviour in victory is usually the opposite. I understand that the Americans in Iraq are treating enemy soldiers in their hospitals. Those who have attacked us and subesuquently lost, in most cases, are now thriving. those who won are not. The U.S. did indeed treat the Native Americans very badly in many cases. But then, Native Americans treated each other very badly in many cases also. It was a unstoppable land grab by a great flood of people from Europe wanting to thrive on the virgin land that did the most damage to native peoples, not just a simple case of evil invaders wiping out the Noble Natives. The detention camps created for Japanese-Americans during WW2 were wrong for several reasons, but they were not established or operated to harm the detainees; they were created to prevent the detainees from harming us. One must keep in mind the fanatical mindset of many Japanese. Recall that Japanese soldiers would rather commit suicide than surrender and that many of Japanese extraction considered themselves to be more Japanese than American. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek 30 07.695N 081 38.484W ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Russell To: [email protected] Sent: 10/5/2008 1:03:27 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Lovely Japan Norm, You have met me wife though :D And we will be going there on 10/31 to see the inlaws and start the marketing campaign. And before pointing fingers, look at the US and there History too. The Indians Reservations etc... is a good example. Or how about the detention camps for the Japanese during WW2? N.Y. RUSSELL Office Coffee Service "Java Powered Service" -----Original Message----- From: Norm of Bandersnatch Sent: Sun, 05 October 2008 12:37:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [Liveaboard] Lovely Japan I have visitied Japan and it is pretty in places, and without doubt there are many wonderful and loving people there as there are everywhere, but for insight into the Japanese character in general ask anyone who experienced that character first hand in Korea, China, the Philippines, or anywhere else for that matter the Japanese were "visiting" in the late 1930 to mid 1940 period. Someone once said that the true nature of a person (or culture) is how they treat people when they have absolute power over them. If this is so, then the Japanese have got to be near the bottom of the bell curve. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek 30 07.695N 081 38.484W ----- Original Message ----- From: bella To: [email protected] Sent: 10/2/2008 8:49:53 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Living Overseas Japan is a lovely place... my ex mom in law lives outside Kyoto. I am going to stay here.... for the nonce... my mom is 90...doing extremely well... she is the female warrn buffet... lol... I am enjoying her company..sorta kinda.. after she goes, then who knows.... Was down in Annapolis today..it's gearing up for the boat show.. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Noel Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 'Bella, We will probably be going to Japan. No Liveaboards allowed (need a "real addy). But a great place anyways. As for visa, marry one :P Noel N.Y. RUSSELL Office Coffee Service "Java Powered Service" -----Original Message----- From: 'bella Sent: Wed, 01 October 2008 09:12:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Living Overseas high crime rate..... here are two websites you can use to explore around www.escapeartist.com www.livingoverseas.com moving to another country is not just...oh I think I will live X.... you can visit all you want... getting a residency visa is more complicated... financial records, fingerprints, background checkis...more visas and more money.. my ex emigrated to Australia and now has a perm resident visa.. it cost him around $5k to get it done. Belize has a retirment visa.. as does Costa Rica.. many of the central american countries do not allow a non citizen to own property.. do your research before you go down on a perm basis...Me, I am gonna go harass old people in florida and make more forays south... until they drag me kicking and screaming to the nursing home... of course my 90 yr old mom is a major factor in my decision.. she is doing great. Still lives at home,does her own housework.. in great health.. I will probably die before she does.. lol fair winds.. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:14 AM, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Belize. Former British colony. English speaking. Easy access to the US. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CT Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Living Overseas Norm, and others, I'd be interested in what "foreign countries" somewhat convenient to the US, those dissatisfied with the US would consider as friendly better alternatives? First choice locally: Dominican Republic and a few other islands in the Carib; Mexico, Costa Rica, Guatemala. Some swear by South America. Don't discount: Thailand, Malaysia, Myanmar/Burma, Cambodia, and Vietnam too. India's not too bad, Sri Lanka's nice. Guam is real nice but there's competition for space. That written, you can hang out in the Mariana's hitting Guam as/when necessary. The health care in Asia is, in many respects, equivalent to the US. Guam is a US territory. The weather is far better in SE Asia than in SE US or Carib. Running with the monsoon's you can hang out in the Pacific/South China Sea or the Andaman Sea/Indian Ocean. I prefer Asia over the Caribbean. CT 30°24'43.07"N 88°34'1.90"W . _______________________________________________ Liveaboard mailing list [email protected] To adjust your membership settings over the web http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html -- http://www.slideshare .net/jacko91/these-are-my-credentials/ http://fisherhouse.org/ http://www.specialops.org/ "We are the gaurdians of a great faith. 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