2016-04-21 22:48 GMT+02:00 Tim E. Real <[email protected]>:
> On April 21, 2016 09:44:07 PM Robert Jonsson wrote:
> > Hi Jens,
> >
> > 2016-04-21 19:36 GMT+02:00 Jens Radloff <[email protected]>:
> > > Hi @all,
> > >
> > > This is my first email from my new email address which I from now on
> use
> > > to
> > > write to the Muse developers and users mailing lists. I changed my
> > > registration email address for these mailing lists from
> > >
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> > > So I hope that from now on I can successfully send emails to these
> mailing
> > > lists, so that the all of you and me can receive them again, without
> being
> > > rejected or being marked as spam.
> >
> > Not marked as spam but I see it was on the CC list so I can't say if it
> got
> > through to the mailinglist.
> >
> > > --------------
> > >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > > I've never really understood the use-case for Carla, what is it that
> > >
> > > solves?
> > >
> > > In this video tutorial whose link you send to us, in the first video
> > > tutorial,
> > > a Drumgizmo drumkit is connected to a MusE song with a MIDI track.
> > > Drumgizmo
> > > drumkits have 16 channels, but - according to the maker of the
> tutorial -
> > > MusE
> > > only has two drum channels. Due to this, the maker of the video uses
> Carla
> > > to
> > > connect the Drumgizmo LV2 plugin and a Drumgizmo drumkit with MusE.
> Carla
> > > can
> > > connect 16 channels with two channels (stereo).
> >
> > I just started watching the videos, some good stuff in there, even
> learned
> > a few things about MusE I didn't know about :D
> > Lots of interesting editing functionality in Ardour also, a lot of it is
> > already available in MusE but we definitely fall short.
> >
> > As for routing drumgizmo in MusE. WIth MusE 2.x, only stereo-out is
> > supported so it would not work correctly.
>
> Mm, actually, multi-output synths support has been around since, like 2.0
> or am I not understanding the issue correctly?
>
Ah, yes, you are right, I was confused.
I had been going through the Changelog to weed out the 3.0 parts that makes
most sense to put in the release note and came across a line about
multichannel support and thought: - Oh was it so recent? Must be, says so
here. And didn't think more of it til now. ;)
>
> He should be able to route individual channels even in 2.x, as long as
> it is a version with LV2 support, of course.
>
> And in 3.0 of course it is less clumsy than 2.x, with the new popups
> and router and so on.
>
Since drumgizmo exposes both stereo pairs and mono channels, maybe that's
easier to handle in the new version?
It should be noted that the routing the video author does for drumgizmo is
only for pre-production, it is not fit for actually using the drumkit.
To use it for real, each drum should be routed to an individual Group or
Track so everything has a volume and pan knob (and possibility for adding
effects).
Regards,
Robert
> I have tested 2.x with Addictive Drums VST multi-channel outputs.
>
> In 3.0 we just expand on the idea to include routing individual
> audio track channels for /all/ audio tracks, not just synths.
>
> Tim.
>
> > With 3.0 multi-output plugins are
> > supported and drumgizmo should be possible to load right into MusE to get
> > all the routing possibiities you need.
> > However, there's a ticket for drumgizmo right now that I haven't really
> > kept track of, so in reality there may be some issues left.
> >
> > > But this approach is too complicated because there is the Simpledrum
> > > plugin in
> > > MusE. I tested the Simpledrum plugin today with a Drumgizmo drumkit in
> the
> > > latest MusE 3.0 pre-release, it works. One only needs to edit the
> > > individual
> > > wav files of the Drumgizmo drumkit because they each contain more than
> 2
> > > wav
> > > tracks.
> >
> > Simpledrums can do drum-machine like drums quite easily (one sample per
> > drum) but for life like drums it's not so well suited. Drumgizmo has
> > multisampled drums, meaning that every drum is recorded many many times
> > with different velocity, and then ordered so the samples are played just
> at
> > certain midi velocities. This gives a more lifelike drum sound.
> > It would have been good if they included a mixer into drumgizmo though, a
> > lot of clicking to route everything..
> >
> > > About getting the native GUI of Carla displayed:
> > > > I seem to have a package python-pyqt5.qtsvg but it's not installed, I
> > > > can
> > > > run Carla so it doesn't seem to be the right package..
> > >
> > > Thanks for pointing me to the right direction. I installed the package
> > > python3-pyqt5.qtsvg in my system, and voila: the GUI of Carla is
> displayed
> > > within MusE ;-)
> >
> > Nice :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert
> >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jens
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, 20. April 2016, 21:33:03 schrieben Sie:
> > > > Hi Jens,
> > > >
> > > > 2016-04-20 18:33 GMT+02:00 Jens Radloff <[email protected]>:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Robert, for the link from yesterday to this video tutorial
> > > > > collection about MusE and Ardour. I watched the first video so far,
> > > > > and
> > > > > this encouraged me to implement Carla and Drumgizmo for the use
> within
> > > > > MusE.
> > > >
> > > > I've never really understood the use-case for Carla, what is it that
> > >
> > > solves?
> > >
> > > > ... I guess I should watch these videos ;)
> > > >
> > > > > So I compiled and installed Carla 2.0 beta 4 and Drumgizmo 0.9.10
> on
> > > > > my
> > > > > system, which is a Ubuntu Studio system (Ubuntu 14.04.4). I had
> > > > > downloaded Carla from
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Quote Beginning ---
> > > > >
> > > > > jrad@music:/usr/local/bin$ ./carla
> > > > >
> > > > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > > > File "/usr/local/share/carla/carla", line 22, in <module>
> > > > >
> > > > > from carla_host import *
> > > > >
> > > > > File "/usr/local/share/carla/carla_host.py", line 39, in <module>
> > > > >
> > > > > import patchcanvas
> > > > >
> > > > > File "/usr/local/share/carla/patchcanvas.py", line 32, in
> <module>
> > > > >
> > > > > from PyQt5.QtSvg import QGraphicsSvgItem, QSvgRenderer
> > > > >
> > > > > ImportError: No module named 'PyQt5.QtSvg'
> > > > > jrad@music:/usr/local/bin$
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Quote End ---
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the 2nd last line in this quote the reason for this behaviour? I
> > >
> > > have
> > >
> > > > > the packages pyqt5-dev and pyqt5-dev-tools installed on my system.
> > >
> > > These
> > >
> > > > > packages were installed on my system before I compiled Carla.
> > > >
> > > > I seem to have a package python-pyqt5.qtsvg but it's not installed, I
> > > > can
> > > > run Carla so it doesn't seem to be the right package..
> > > > Could be that you don't have the right python version in your path I
> > >
> > > guess.
> > >
> > > > For ubuntu, I believe, python --version should print 2.7.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, not much help..
> > > >
> > > > /Robert
> > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jens
> > >
>
>
>
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