On Tuesday 14 December 2004 22:57, Ceki Gülcü wrote:

> When a totally silly  problem attains such cataclysmic proportions, it
> puts   us   (log4j   developers)   under   unnecessary   and   useless
> pressure.  

My sincerest apologies. Of course, Log4J are entitled to "fuck up" from time 
to time. That is not something I want to undermine, and if it came across 
like that, then I am truly sorry.

> Please revise your  model so  that a  silly mistake  can be
> sidestepped without affecting 200 projects. For example, just alerting
> log4j-dev  and having  the 200  affected projects  to  use yesterday's
> version of log4j would have been much better.

This is actually what the current implementation tries to do, but it has not 
been solved properly. But Stefano is now on a mission to re-do a lot of 
Gump's behaviour, and hopefully there will be improvements in both this area, 
as well as the notification system.

> I  am pleased  to  see that  the  problem on  our  side was  corrected
> promptly. I am much less so with nature of the social interaction that
> led to it.

Looking back at my posts, I have a hard time seeing them as coming on hard. 
The first post was a plain "FYI" in case you guys haven't noticed. 

The second was a response to Mark noticing it as well, where I have both a 
"May I suggest..." and a smiley...

I would like to know, if it is some old grudges you have against me, or how 
humble does one have to be, not to offend you, Ceki... I am confused.


Cheers
Niclas
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