Hey, > the name being an advantage, to someone like me, it is a severe > disadvantage. > But I suppose I'm in the minority.
It's hard to tell if you're in a minority of hating the JCL name. Others might, I totally believe it. But they *recognize* it, and that's important. > I actually like the UGLI name. I find pleasure in the idea of producing a > product that is so good, people just need to use it despite the fact that > they > may choke a bit on the name :-) I think every good developer finds the pleasure in the above. But the "just need to use it" part is a huge amount of effort (hidden in 5 words) if there's an existing widely-used solution in place. Even if the incumbent is substantially inferior. > So whether we talk about UGLI or JCL 2.0, we are definitely talking about > YALI. > However, I suspect that you agree with me on this and are just saying > that > people will percieve UGLI to be YALI and not JCL 2.0, even though both are. > Am > I right? Yup. And that perception is important. > And then no longer be called JCL "Jakarta Commons Logging", thereby > ruining the > brand? The transition will be made clear. JCL moving to Logging Services would be a worthy news item by itself, and whatever name is adapted afterwards (CL2) or whatever would be understood to be representative of the same heritage. In that regard, it'll be similar to many other Apache projects leaving Jakarta and becoming their own top-level project. > Until I see this happen, I have serious doubts that the JCL (1.x or 2.x) > team will accept this. Make me a believer! Fair enough. > Which is why I have a hard time even understanding why such a team is > proposed > when UGLI already exists. Because you're part of the team that put together UGLI, and there are other people not on the UGLI team who'd like to contribute. >I certainly haven't seen such a proposal > from > the JCL people on the Log4j mailing list. Is such a proposal on its way? I don't think so. It's up to us to write that proposal. It's up to us to get them involved. Yoav --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
