On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2014, at 22:25, Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> It's ok for me to make an RC. >>> >>> I would like to avoid the "beta" from a community perspective. >>> I also don't don't think that we are beta anymore and it would >>> be misleading for the community. In fact, having a RC would >>> show we are close before. >>> >>> You are more the beta guy where I am usually more into GA, so can we >>> find a compromise on RC? >>> >>> >> Sure, you can put whatever label it, but I think there should be as many >> releases as needed until we have an RC-n to GA with very few changes. >> >> For example: >> >> RC-1: the giant set of changes since beta-9 >> RC-2: fixes >> ... >> GA: API frozen until 3.0 >> > > I get your point. > > My feeling says there will not be too many big changes in future. > If others feel different i am fine with beta. > If others think like me I am happy about RC and trying to keep > modifications low. > Whatever label we put on it, we need another pre-GA release ASAP, it's been too long since beta9 and there have been a lot of changes since. Gary > >> Gary >> >> Gary >> >> >> Cheers >>> Christian >>> >>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 22:07, Gary Gregory wrote: >>> >>> I think the next release should be an RC (or beta), not the GA. There are >>> >>>> just too many changes since beta-9 IMO. >>>> >>>> Ideally, there should only be minor fixes from RC to GA. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Christian Grobmeier < >>>> grobme...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> Let me do the package rename from couch to couchdb. >>>> >>>>> I am just after it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 19:29, Remko Popma wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Any showstoppers left for anyone? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-529 is not great, but >>>>>> not >>>>>> sure >>>>>> if it qualifies as a showstopper... >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll see if I can find time to work on >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-520 this weekend, but >>>>>> this >>>>>> is >>>>>> not a showstopper IMHO. So I'd be fine with doing a release with what >>>>>> we >>>>>> have now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, -Remko >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Christian Grobmeier < >>>>>> grobme...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 1:45, Ralph Goers wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with that, but that doesn't mean we can't add new stuff to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> API. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to highlight that! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway happy with the proposed time plan :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IMO: We cannot/should not break binary compatibility without a major >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> release change (and accompanying package and Maven coordinate >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> changes). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Remko Popma < >>>>>>>>> remko.po...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> How about an RC now (after showstoppers are fixed), >>>>>>>>> then the GA release say one month later? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind we can still have bugix releases in 2.0.1, etc, and >>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> API changes in 2.1 etc... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I agree on putting out an RC release. I think it might help spur >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> 3rd party development to integrate with the new version. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27 January 2014 12:37, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> So, yes, the new level API needs to go through a non-GA release. >>>>>>>>> Aside >>>>>>>>> from that, I am behind in my Log4j2 homework to see how much work >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be to convert our Log4j1 code and extensions to v2. But that's just >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> issue on my end that should not hold up everyone else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been out of 100% commission for almost a week so I need to try >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> use the new level system... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ralph Goers < >>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Due to the API change I can agree with having another beta or an RC >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> the reason I asked about GA is that I am not aware of very many >>>>>>>>> showstopper >>>>>>>>> issues that need to be addressed. I am sensing that you have a >>>>>>>>> real >>>>>>>>> reluctance to have Log4j 2 released as GA and I am trying to >>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>> what the reason is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Nick. Changing levels to be extensible warrants >>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Beta. I'd like to see a stable API before we get into RC mode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What about: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Now: Another Beta >>>>>>>>>> - +1 month, If the API is stable: RC1 >>>>>>>>>> - RCs until shows stoppers are fixed, pick a rhythm: once a week >>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> too much, once a month too long. Every two weeks seems pretty >>>>>>>>>> frequent for >>>>>>>>>> our bunch for a ramp down. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not so much concerned about OSGi now since I look at this as >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> of a packaging issue and how much gets dragged in the container >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> dependencies. For OSGi, are we really considering delivering one >>>>>>>>>> bundle >>>>>>>>>> (jar) per appender? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am more concerned about all the issues people seem to have in >>>>>>>>>> servlet >>>>>>>>>> environments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Nick Williams < >>>>>>>>>> nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't necessarily vote against a GA, but given that we just >>>>>>>>>> MAJORLY overhauled Level, I think a brief RC is in order. It would >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> shame if someone found a problem with Level a week after GA that >>>>>>>>>> caused us >>>>>>>>>> to need to change the API to fix it. >>>>>>>>>> Nick >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Remko Popma wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to fix LOG4J-412 and 448, but neither of them are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> showstoppers IMHO. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Remko >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014, Ralph Goers < >>>>>>>>>>> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since we are having good discussions I would also like to find >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> what are blockers to a GA release. My list includes: >>>>>>>>>>> 1. The fix Nick is working on to allow Servlet initialization to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> disabled from automatically happening in a 3.0 container. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Support for programmatic configuration of Loggers. I planned >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> working on that this weekend but worked on the custom levels >>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> While I believe better support for OSGi is necessary I don't >>>>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>>>> we will be able to do that for GA. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are there any other Jira issues or features that anybody else >>>>>>>>>>> feels >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> required? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-help@logging.apache. >>>>>>>>>>> org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >>>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >>>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition >>>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL >>>>>>> @grobmeier >>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL >>>>> @grobmeier >>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition<http://www.manning. >>>> com/bauer3/> >>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --- >>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL >>> @grobmeier >>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition<http://www.manning. >> com/bauer3/> >> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >> > > > --- > http://www.grobmeier.de > The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL > @grobmeier > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org > > -- E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition<http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com Home: http://garygregory.com/ Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
