Ceki replied on twitter that the immediateFlush option is now a parameter of 
the appended, not the encoder, so it looks like the confit needs to be changed 
and the test rerun.

Ralph

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI, The write and flush methods in BufferedOutputStream are also 
> synchronized, so we won't be able to do away with synchronization completely. 
> 
> In OutputStreamManager we synchronize multiple methods but these are nested 
> calls. I thought reentrant synchronization had negligible overhead but I 
> haven't measured this myself. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:31, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m pretty sure the problem we have is that a) we are synchronizing many 
>> methods and b) we are synchronizing more than just the write. Unfortunately, 
>> I can’t figure out how to reduce that based on how dispersed the code has 
>> gotten.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried to modify FileManager to just use a BufferedOutputStream but 
>>> discovered I couldn’t as the layouts now require the ByteBuffer. 
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The append method isn’t synchronized but the writeBytes method acquires a 
>>>> lock. His code is actually a lot simpler than ours in that it just uses a 
>>>> BufferedOutputStream and he only obtains the lock when he is writing to it.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure if I'm looking in the right place, but a major difference 
>>>>> now between Logback's appenders and Log4j's is that Logback isn't 
>>>>> synchronized on the append method.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 February 2017 at 18:18, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Is this something we can improve performance on by implementing a file 
>>>>>> appender based on FileChannel or AsynchronousFileChannel instead of 
>>>>>> OutputStream?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 February 2017 at 17:50, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ceki has updated his numbers to include those reported on the mailing 
>>>>>>> list. 
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cpb5D7qnyye4W0RTlHUnXedYK98catNZytYIu5D91m0/edit#gid=0
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I haven’t run the tests with Logback 1.2-SNAPSHOT but my numbers for my 
>>>>>>> two MacBooks are at 
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L67IhmUVvyLBWtC6iq0TMj-j0vrbKsUKWuZV0Nlqisk/edit?usp=sharing.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, that is still the standard approach most people use and is the 
>>>>>>>> only way to provide a head-to-head comparison against the logging 
>>>>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is all in a synchronous appender, right? Either way, that's 
>>>>>>>>> rather interesting.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6 February 2017 at 07:54, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Someone posted numbers on the Logback user’s list that match mine.  
>>>>>>>>>> It shows Logback 1.1.9 was pretty terrible, 1.1.10 is somewhat 
>>>>>>>>>> better and 1.2-SNAPSHOT is on par or slightly better than Log4j 2.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need some comparisons on the log4j side: file appender 
>>>>>>>>>>> with 256k buffer size, random access file appender with 256k buffer 
>>>>>>>>>>> size (which appears to be the default), and memory mapped file 
>>>>>>>>>>> appender. It'd be cool to see how these compose with async logging 
>>>>>>>>>>> enabled in both log4j and logback.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2017 at 16:06, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You should run the code at https://github.com/ceki/logback-perf to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> compare your results to Ceki’s.  You also should capture the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cpubenchmark speed of your processor and get the speed of your 
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard drive. I used Blackmagic speed test on my Mac. I am capturing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> my results in a Google spreadsheet. I will post the like once I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> have it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want, I can run tests on Windows once the build works on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what args/command line...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017 11:58 AM, "Apache" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess my MacBook Pro must fit in the Slow CPU/Fast Hard drive 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category. With Logback 1.10 and -t 4  now get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benchmark                                         Mode  Samples  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Score       Error  Units
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.julFile        thrpt       20  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   98187.673 ±  4935.712  ops/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.log4j1File     thrpt       20  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  842374.496 ±  6762.712  ops/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.log4j2File     thrpt       20  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1853062.583 ± 67032.225  ops/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.log4j2RAF      thrpt       20  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2036011.226 ± 53208.281  ops/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.logbackFile    thrpt       20  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  999667.438 ± 12074.003  ops/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll have to try this on one my VMs at work. We don’t run 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything directly on bare metal any more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ceki finally fixed some of the performance problems in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FileAppender. See https://logback.qos.ch/news.html and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cpb5D7qnyye4W0RTlHUnXedYK98catNZytYIu5D91m0/edit#gid=0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I suspect we have a few optimizations we can make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

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