I tried to modify FileManager to just use a BufferedOutputStream but discovered 
I couldn’t as the layouts now require the ByteBuffer. 

Ralph

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
> The append method isn’t synchronized but the writeBytes method acquires a 
> lock. His code is actually a lot simpler than ours in that it just uses a 
> BufferedOutputStream and he only obtains the lock when he is writing to it.
> 
> Ralph
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure if I'm looking in the right place, but a major difference now 
>> between Logback's appenders and Log4j's is that Logback isn't synchronized 
>> on the append method.
>> 
>> On 6 February 2017 at 18:18, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Is this something we can improve performance on by implementing a file 
>> appender based on FileChannel or AsynchronousFileChannel instead of 
>> OutputStream?
>> 
>> On 6 February 2017 at 17:50, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>> Ceki has updated his numbers to include those reported on the mailing list. 
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cpb5D7qnyye4W0RTlHUnXedYK98catNZytYIu5D91m0/edit#gid=0
>>  
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cpb5D7qnyye4W0RTlHUnXedYK98catNZytYIu5D91m0/edit#gid=0>
>> 
>> I haven’t run the tests with Logback 1.2-SNAPSHOT but my numbers for my two 
>> MacBooks are at 
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L67IhmUVvyLBWtC6iq0TMj-j0vrbKsUKWuZV0Nlqisk/edit?usp=sharing
>>  
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L67IhmUVvyLBWtC6iq0TMj-j0vrbKsUKWuZV0Nlqisk/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>  
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
>>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is still the standard approach most people use and is the only 
>>> way to provide a head-to-head comparison against the logging frameworks.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is all in a synchronous appender, right? Either way, that's rather 
>>>> interesting.
>>>> 
>>>> On 6 February 2017 at 07:54, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
>>>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>> Someone posted numbers on the Logback user’s list that match mine.  It 
>>>> shows Logback 1.1.9 was pretty terrible, 1.1.10 is somewhat better and 
>>>> 1.2-SNAPSHOT is on par or slightly better than Log4j 2.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think we need some comparisons on the log4j side: file appender with 
>>>>> 256k buffer size, random access file appender with 256k buffer size 
>>>>> (which appears to be the default), and memory mapped file appender. It'd 
>>>>> be cool to see how these compose with async logging enabled in both log4j 
>>>>> and logback.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 February 2017 at 16:06, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
>>>>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>> You should run the code at https://github.com/ceki/logback-perf 
>>>>> <https://github.com/ceki/logback-perf> to compare your results to Ceki’s. 
>>>>>  You also should capture the cpubenchmark speed of your processor and get 
>>>>> the speed of your hard drive. I used Blackmagic speed test on my Mac. I 
>>>>> am capturing my results in a Google spreadsheet. I will post the like 
>>>>> once I have it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:garydgreg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you want, I can run tests on Windows once the build works on Windows 
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me know what args/command line...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017 11:58 AM, "Apache" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I guess my MacBook Pro must fit in the Slow CPU/Fast Hard drive 
>>>>>> category. With Logback 1.10 and -t 4  now get
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Benchmark                                         Mode  Samples        
>>>>>> Score       Error  Units
>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.julFile        thrpt       20    
>>>>>> 98187.673 ±  4935.712  ops/s
>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.log4j1File     thrpt       20   
>>>>>> 842374.496 ±  6762.712  ops/s
>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.log4j2File     thrpt       20  
>>>>>> 1853062.583 ± 67032.225  ops/s
>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.log4j2RAF      thrpt       20  
>>>>>> 2036011.226 ± 53208.281  ops/s
>>>>>> o.a.l.l.p.j.FileAppenderBenchmark.logbackFile    thrpt       20   
>>>>>> 999667.438 ± 12074.003  ops/s
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ll have to try this on one my VMs at work. We don’t run anything 
>>>>>> directly on bare metal any more.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Apache <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ceki finally fixed some of the performance problems in the 
>>>>>>> FileAppender. See https://logback.qos.ch/news.html 
>>>>>>> <https://logback.qos.ch/news.html> and 
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cpb5D7qnyye4W0RTlHUnXedYK98catNZytYIu5D91m0/edit#gid=0
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cpb5D7qnyye4W0RTlHUnXedYK98catNZytYIu5D91m0/edit#gid=0>.
>>>>>>>  I suspect we have a few optimizations we can make.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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