* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote:
> 
> > Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a bad
> > idea as it encourages pulling all-nighters.  You just don't write good
> > code at 2 in the morning, and end up spending just as much time untangling
> > it as you did writing it in the first place.  
> 
> yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a
> client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it ..
> just charge em bigtime!
> 

nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the contract watertight,
so if they change their mind the deadline changes

> and 2 because I was just so tied up in it and it was going so well that I
> didn;t want to stop .. so I didn't ... the code from the latter is
> untouched to date and some of the better code I've written.

thats fine, but if you have such commitment to work surely you could grab a hotel
that the business is friendly with and put it on expenses

> play.  One of the reason I hated a 9 to 5 job was people asking me to do
> hard things before lunchtime and having to quit doing hard things because
> it was 5:00. 

this is fine for internal work, but wrong for our earlier discussion
about consultancy

> > And in any case, if you
> > *need* to work all night, there's something wrong with the project
> > management.  

agreed

> no matter how well planned the project I have yet to find a client who
> hasn;t kept some small but deadly surprise as a secret to throw in just
> when they know its getting close. Some of these bombshells are smaller
> than others .. but they always seem to be there, waiting ... no problem
> .. just expect em an be prepared .. and charge em BigTime :)

how do you think IBM deal with this? if the client adds some crap, they
change the deadlines/cost

greg 
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Greg McCarroll                          http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

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