On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
> > quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking
> > over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that
> > position.
>
> And what percentage of that 75% are likely to buy an ide?
> Also in your guess at 75% you've hit a very important point. 25% of the
> Windows market is a lot bigger than 75% of the Linux market,
your logic is hopelessly flawed. 25% of the windows market is not what
you need as the 'windows market' consists mainly of secrataries and home
users .. 75% of a Linux market (~100% of which use Perl in some way) is
MUCH bigger than 25% of a windows market (0.001% of which would know a
programming langauge if it ran up to them in the street and bit them) I'd
say the programming market is roughly 50% windows/something else, so
whilst windows might have a large user following, its got a relativley
small developer following and thats who you need to play to.
> ActiveState is
> a business and at the end of the day they have a much bigger (I assume ;))
> market in the hordes of IDEless Windows users. And if we can sway some of
> the other 75% of Windows users across to the dark side by getting Perl
> associated with household products like Visual Studio then the more the
> merrier ;)
here I agree totally .. if it gets windows point and click programmers
using perl it gets my 100% support.
if it tries to make me use some weirdo Perl build on linux that is not
compatible with various other things then it can go boil its head.
>
> > you can write code in emacs?
>
> Apparently if you install enough major modes you can even edit text in
> it... ;)
stop winding me up .. everyone knows emacs is a firewall configuration
tool with some other bits bolted on ... dont you just press C-x C-alt-b
C-shift-alt-z alt-y pageup-alt-escape-shift-~ to make it insert a space
or somesuch?
> > umm .. sorta. Some IDE's are well liked, Kdevelop for C++ comes to mind,
> > (which uses gcc ... )
>
> I've been using this for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a
> couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being
> taken to the line. Kdevelop follows the very good idea of not trying to
> replace the compiler. DDD is another app that does this well but its just
> another example that GUI's are not as popular as the command lines tools.
> Yet.
I think you'll find that where a tool has a decent UI and helps rather
than hinders it will become accepted. if its more trouble than NOT having
it then, strangely, it will bomb out like a thing that bombs out a lot.
--
Robin Szemeti
The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!
