Shamsa, These are not problems...these are Issues :) .. I think I am getting more perfectionist these days or may be I am too illiterate to get the meaning in context... anyways... talk about Pakistan here...I thought since the topic main heading is about the culture so I was assuming that you are relating everything with the contrast of culture, thank you for clearing this out.
brother? who? ...we have issue of "Bhai-culture" as well :) well... so what is your story ? and you wanted to meet me to disappoint me ? oh! I guess you want to meet with me to do something significant... anyways...will see when you are around, give me a buzz... Kind Regards, Zeehsan Haq On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Shamsa Baloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Shamsa Baloch duabi wali...mam... what is this? > > u are intermingling culture, customs and tradition...and after reading all > of your email I am sure you need to recheck your thoughts... > here are my replies.. > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Shamsa Baloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > With regards to the last edition my comments and views are as follows > > > > *How can we expect our culture to grow when we have such problems existing > in our society,*** > > > > *First, we do not trust ourselves > > *Wrong! we do... but issue is that only few percentage! * > > *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis > > *Second, we do not promote homemade stuff 'coz we're very much influenced > by foreign > > *Correct! thats not because we dont love it but because we are lack of > Quality conscious people* and the product of pakistan in general did not > provide its ROI. > > > > *Thirdly, do we all know our National Anthem correctly and complete? I > doubt > > *Yes! We all knew its by heart... the real issue is that we forget its > MEANING!!* > > *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis > > > > *Fourth, did we study Pakistan's history whole-heartedly? > > *of course... but define what is Whole-heartedly in your dictionary?* > > > > *Fifth, on questioning not only the youth of Pakistan but few adults also > failed to answer the question "Significance of 23rd March and in which > year was it? > > *what! so this means that we are lack of culture??? and if few "smarty" > do not know that does this means that we lost our culture?? O please!! some > one please pinch me I am in comma!* > > *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis > > > > *Sixth, we want all our works to be done by the government, we don't like > to take pain 'coz we enjoy gain. > > *we actually use to of it... and if few of "mad" people like Hakim M Saeed > try to do they have been given a royal death on street and if not so we > still love to shout.. JJEEEAAAYYY....name any bull shit .. this again does > not have any connection with culture!* > > *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis > > *Seventh, we do not want people to know that we are Pakistanis when we are > in foreign countries (I was an example of this statement but now > Alhamdulilah I take pride in being a Pakistani) > > *You must have met with ABCDs (American Born Confuse Desis) or either some > one who were on exile..let em share this, I have met with guy and > opportunity to have his company for a short time years' back in Duabi when > he refuse to a Job in top Bank and quit when he came to know that within > their policy they mention that no loans will be given to Pakistani > nationals, as a protest while India were there > > he was from Gujranwala and were living there hand-to-mouth not able to > support his family. The offer from bank was lucrative but let me share this > madam there are Pakistanis who do not sell their mother in $ 20,000 * > * > Do not call it stupidity call it a Gut and confidence in one's skill and > knowledge .. this guy is in Barclays now! * > > This madam is also not among those who will sell her mother for > > $ 20, 000 > > > > *Eighth, do we respect Urdu, I think now we have mixed Hindi in it 'coz we > love Indian dramas and Bollywood. > > *what are you talking about ?? change your thinking and do not show > "Saas-Bahoo" epics to your childern .. dont you have a remote to change the > channel ? ...this is still not related to culture yet its close to it due to > few other reasons..* > > > > *Ninth, we love Pakistan only on 14th of August > > *Read about Sepoy Maqbool Hussain... Read about Pakistani born French > Designer I am forgetting his name ... he also wrote his book of struggle.. > read about people who take part in Development... one of my close uncle is > the Nuclear Scientist in KANUP I use to join his convel and always get > inspiration...there are so many others... haven't you met Faisal Qureshi > yet? he is Pakistani too... O please do not think to meet me you may be > disappointed and believe me this is still not the part of Culture!* > > > > *Tenth, do we realize the sacrifices of our past? I think no because if we > did then our country could have been better until this day. > > *Its a nature, most people call it a fact... man never learns from > history...but those who did can be most successful and prosperous in all the > walks of life .. you must mention some "cultural" mistakes here* > > *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis > > > > Did we know Mr. Mohammad Ali Jinnah by his clothes and hairstyle? > > Did we know Mr. Allama Iqbal by his clothes and hairstyle? > > These two prominent figures made a mark in the history not by clothing well > and introducing new hairstyles but it was their hard work which brought them > to fame. > > > > Then why do we blame the celebrities about their way of clothing…If we > blame them, then first we should turn the pointing finger's direction > towards ourselves because if they are stylizing themselves with western > styles, then we are also copying it… what will you say to this!!! > > > *Till this point I am lost... you are comparing cycle tires with the 707 > Air Bus...* > How can we expect our culture to grow when we have such problems existing > in our society, > > > > > > If we love & respect our Culture then it is obvious that others will like > it too… > > *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis > > > > With regards, > > Shamsa Baloch > > Po Box: 1853 > > Alain,U.A.E > > > > > do not offend... but well...see... we have double culture in our > system...we are intruded by so many other cultures as well. Its a fact that > developing and poor nations adopt and follow fashion and culture of > Developed and richer countries. Even in our history when Muslims were in > Power and rule the planet and when Europe were in Dark ages they use to wear > cloths that has been wear by common man in Turkey and Baghdad as these were > the today Paris and London... > > for developing a culture ... develop your self... and I assure you culture > will follow its way :) > > hope you don't mind my straightness but honorable lady thats the way it is! > > No hard feelings brother, actually u don't know my story … what I wanted to > stress was not completely based on culture...I want to meet you because I > think u will be disappointed meeting me > > Regards, > > Shamsa Baloch > > Pakistani Madam not Dubai wali > > > On 9/6/08, Zeeshan Haq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Shamsa Baloch duabi wali...mam... what is this? >> >> u are intermingling culture, customs and tradition...and after reading all >> of your email I am sure you need to recheck your thoughts... >> here are my replies.. >> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Shamsa Baloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> With regards to the last edition my comments and views are as follows >>> >>> >>> >>> *How can we expect our culture to grow when we have such problems >>> existing in our society:* >>> >>> >>> >>> *First, we do not trust ourselves >>> >> *Wrong! we do... but issue is that only few percentage! * >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Second, we do not promote homemade stuff 'coz we're very much influenced >>> by foreign >>> >> *Correct! thats not because we dont love it but because we are lack of >> Quality conscious people* and the product of pakistan in general did not >> provide its ROI. >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Thirdly, do we all know our National Anthem correctly and complete? I >>> doubt >>> >> *Yes! We all knew its by heart... the real issue is that we forget its >> MEANING!!* >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Fourth, did we study Pakistan's history whole-heartedly? >>> >> *of course... but define what is Whole-heartedly in your dictionary?* >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Fifth, on questioning not only the youth of Pakistan but few adults also >>> failed to answer the question "Significance of 23rd March and in which >>> year was it? >>> >> *what! so this means that we are lack of culture??? and if few "smarty" >> do not know that does this means that we lost our culture?? O please!! some >> one please pinch me I am in comma!* >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Sixth, we want all our works to be done by the government, we don't like >>> to take pain 'coz we enjoy gain. >>> >> *we actually use to of it... and if few of "mad" people like Hakim M >> Saeed try to do they have been given a royal death on street and if not so >> we still love to shout.. JJEEEAAAYYY....name any bull shit .. this again >> does not have any connection with culture!* >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Seventh, we do not want people to know that we are Pakistanis when we >>> are in foreign countries (I was an example of this statement but now >>> Alhamdulilah I take pride in being a Pakistani) >>> >> *You must have met with ABCDs (American Born Confuse Desis) or either >> some one who were on exile..let em share this, I have met with guy and >> opportunity to have his company for a short time years' back in Duabi when >> he refuse to a Job in top Bank and quit when he came to know that within >> their policy they mention that no loans will be given to Pakistani >> nationals, as a protest while India were there >> >> **he was from Gujranwala and were living there hand-to-mouth not able to >> support his family. The offer from bank was lucrative but let me share this >> madam there are Pakistanis who do not sell their mother in $ 20,000 * >> * >> Do not call it stupidity call it a Gut and confidence in one's skill and >> knowledge .. this guy is in Barclays now! * >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Eighth, do we respect Urdu, I think now we have mixed Hindi in it 'coz >>> we love Indian dramas and Bollywood. >>> >> *what are you talking about ?? change your thinking and do not show >> "Saas-Bahoo" epics to your childern .. dont you have a remote to change the >> channel ? ...this is still not related to culture yet its close to it due to >> few other reasons..* >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Ninth, we love Pakistan only on 14th of August >>> >> *Read about Sepoy Maqbool Hussain... Read about Pakistani born French >> Designer I am forgetting his name ... he also wrote his book of struggle.. >> read about people who take part in Development... one of my close uncle is >> the Nuclear Scientist in KANUP I use to join his convel and always get >> inspiration...there are so many others... haven't you met Faisal Qureshi >> yet? he is Pakistani too... O please do not think to meet me you may be >> disappointed and believe me this is still not the part of Culture!* >> >> >>> >>> >>> *Tenth, do we realize the sacrifices of our past? I think no because if >>> we did then our country could have been better until this day. >>> >> *Its a nature, most people call it a fact... man never learns from >> history...but those who did can be most successful and prosperous in all the >> walks of life .. you must mention some "cultural" mistakes here* >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Did we know Mr. Mohammad Ali Jinnah by his clothes and hairstyle? >>> >>> Did we know Mr. Allama Iqbal by his clothes and hairstyle? >>> >>> These two prominent figures made a mark in the history not by clothing >>> well and introducing new hairstyles but it was their hard work which brought >>> them to fame. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then why do we blame the celebrities about their way of clothing…If we >>> blame them, then first we should turn the pointing finger's direction >>> towards ourselves because if they are stylizing themselves with western >>> styles, then we are also copying it… what will you say to this!!! >>> >> >> *Till this point I am lost... you are comparing cycle tires with the 707 >> Air Bus...* >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> If we love & respect our Culture then it is obvious that others will like >>> it too… >>> >> *What ever points I have stressed does not refer to all Pakistanis >>> >>> >>> >>> With regards, >>> >>> Shamsa Baloch >>> >>> Po Box: 1853 >>> >>> Alain,U.A.E >>> >>> >> do not offend... but well...see... we have double culture in our >> system...we are intruded by so many other cultures as well. Its a fact that >> developing and poor nations adopt and follow fashion and culture of >> Developed and richer countries. Even in our history when Muslims were in >> Power and rule the planet and when Europe were in Dark ages they use to wear >> cloths that has been wear by common man in Turkey and Baghdad as these were >> the today Paris and London... >> >> for developing a culture ... develop your self... and I assure you culture >> will follow its way :) >> >> hope you don't mind my straightness but honorable lady thats the way it >> is! >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> ZH >> >> >> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Loose Ends Pakistan" group. 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