Productivity is very related to what you are trying to be productive
with. I started work using an IBM 2741 terminal (think of a selectric
typewriter that weighs about a ton, uses continuous form paper and
communicates at 134.5bps (about 10 chars/sec)). Early displays were
sometimes called "class teletypes" because there were used simply as a
rolling substitute for continuous paper. Redrawing a whole 24x80
character screen, even at the fantastic speed of 9600bps (fast in the
late 1970's) took a lot of time. Someone who is good with an editor such
as vi can turn off echo mode and enter several commands before needing
to refresh the screen. A massive productivity improvement for the time.
Like many folks, I know enough vi to edit any text file I need to when a
system won't start. And I know that vi will be one tool that is always
there.
Ian Shields
On 4/10/2015 18:05, Andrzej Szczygielski wrote:
Oh I see although I personally believe the way to look more modern is
to embrace things like devops or containers and if I was going to
remove something it would be x window configuration rather then
venerable vi editor and in all honesty it is weird but it was created
with productivity in mind rather than making life harder
On 10 Apr 2015 22:20, "Anselm Lingnau" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alan McKinnon <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I also don't expect anyone else to know, or even care about, vi
and/or
> vim. It's a bizarre holdover from the 70's when 80x25 screens
were still
> awesome. Don't let your attachment to vi cloud your judgement as to
> whether it is exam-worthy or not.
I'm with Alan here. Vi is one of those programs which are dear to
people's hearts because they effectively provide a shibboleth that
lets
them distinguish the real old-school greybeard Unix guys from the
newbie
upstarts, and don't we all want to be the real old-school greybeards
rather than the newbie upstarts? (System V init and friends used to be
like that but they're finally on their way out, which makes vi
even more
important.)
I have all but stopped teaching people how to use vi(m). I explain
that
the program exists, that it has a very weird outlook on life, the
universe, and everything else, and that it is worth knowing on a basic
level because it is so ubiquitous. Then I give them twenty minutes
with
vimtutor, which is adequate for nearly anyone to get the basics
down. I
don't care in the least what editor they use for their day-to-day
stuff
– I'm an Emacs guy myself, except when working as root.
If we remove vi from the exam then it will not be one day too soon. We
expect people to be able to type on a keyboard without giving them
exam
questions on the topic; using an editor is just a fancy way of
typing on
a keyboard.
Anselm
PS. If this is all about teaching people an editor that exists
everywhere and works always, then we should be teaching them
ed. Vi
is for softies who can't do without a cell-addressable terminal.
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