You mean like articles on how psychometrics and other things are used in
LPI's approach, followed by blog articles and testimonies? :)

Let's face it, LPI has all that information, and more out there. But LPI
does not have marketing dollars. LPI relies heavily on word-of-mouth.

This too has been to a pulp over decades. :)

- bjs


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On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 04:55 Stephan Wenderlich <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Instead of discussing this topic again and again, LPI should do its
> homework and take care about a serious cert guide which is accurate and
> well designed.
>
> On 19.04.19 11:33, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 2019/04/19 10:04, Simone Piccardi wrote:
> >> Il 16/04/19 14:45, Mark Clarke ha scritto:
> >>> I would suggest that its not an either or approach. We could have a
> >>> part that is multiple choice and a practical part. The practical
> >>> part doesn't have to be under exam conditions. It could be a task
> >>> like write a bash script that does x or some other assignemtn. The
> >>> student is given 2 days to do the task and submit the
> >>> script/assignement and the testing can be automated.
> >>>
> >> And how do you avoid having the student getting "help" from a friend?
> >
> >
> > That's an excellent point.
> >
> > Another is how will an automated tester account for every variation
> > that the candidate might have or do? Perhaps a candidate might
> > validate an IP Address (sensible) and naturally uses Python with
> > netaddr. Automated testing is likely to fail and the assignment,
> > whilst correct, is marked wrong. Now manual intervention is needed and
> > that means salaries. The cost of an exam just multiplies many times.
> >
> > I've stayed out of this current discussion as it rears it's head every
> > few years and never goes anywhere. Such discussions are tiring.
> >
> > Someone earlier mentioned the perception that hands-on testing is
> > better. I very much agree that it is a perception. It might not be true.
> >
> > So what is hands-on testing good for? It's great for testing if a
> > candidate can perform a series of predetermined steps in response to a
> > given situation to produce a determined result. Hence why we test
> > student pilots with it. And electricians, scuba divers and almost
> > every action a sailor will do on the job (when sailors can't pass
> > these tests, other sailors die).
> >
> > It's why RedHat, Cisco and SuSE use practical tests - those distros
> > provide specific tools to do specific functions and the candidate can
> > rely on the tools to be present and work correctly. To do task X on
> > RHEL regarding selinux, RHEL provides a tool, and it will be present
> > on the test machine. The candidate is required to show they can drive
> > the tool to produce the result RedHat demonstrated in the course.
> >
> > In truth, this has very little to do with results, it has everything
> > to do with the tool and how it is used, and the result is a
> > side-effect. RedHat never puts anything in their low and mid level
> > exams that is not covered in sufficient detail in their course
> > materials, to do so would be very unfair. You can't expect someone to
> > perform a task they were not taught how to do.
> >
> > If we look at LPI's mission, we see that it is to a large degree
> > exactly opposite to the above. LPI is not about RHEL tools, it is
> > about the candidate proving they understand Linux systems within the
> > scope of the level tested. Because the scope is not bound to a
> > specific distro or release, testing has to be done on a somewhat
> > abstract, conceptual level. There is nothing wrong with measuring the
> > extent of conceptual knowledge and this is what LPI does.
> >
> > Testing conceptual knowledge is not inherently better or worse than
> > practical testing, they are simply different. Both have their place
> > and they are answers to different questions about candidates and
> > should not be conflated.
> >
> >
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