DISCLAIMER: Top posting because I'm on my phone. :) SMTP (mail), like NNTP (mail), actually contain headers with prior 'Message ID' enumeration, which allows for full threading of an entire conversation. This is not only an effective 1970-80s implement, but still works in the age of web archives.
IETF RFC821 and/or 822 apply here, among other, early ISOC standards. In fact, it was originally designed well enough that both SMTP (mail) and NNTP (news) could work together in a discussion forum at the same time, so people could participate in the same discussion with either. How? Again, clients always tracking Message ID. This is also the time frame where many 'ettique' discussions first began, such as the O'Reilly posting guidelines on top v. bottom posting, when to change the subject - which did not affect threading because of Message ID tracking - and other things. These classic uses of SMTP/NNTP were considered the 'Gold Standard' and quoted often by many in FAQs. Unfortunately... the '90s happened. The first PC/Windows e-mail clients used their own protocols and slowly adopted Internet standards support... slowly, if poorly. One thing utterly not respected was Message ID, and now threading was broken. Eventually some supported some things, and it became better. But, again, unfortunately... the '00s happened. Google Mail (Gmail) brought us the age of 'we are the standard,' and they purposely _ignored_ Message ID for years, and focused on sort by subject... so much so at least one developer at Google literally and purposely ignored it. This broke the biggest O'Reilly Guideline... change the subject line (preface new subject, and use 'WAS:' for the old in suffix), as it wasn't compatible. E.g., we now had 300+ messages in web archives entirely and inappropriately entitled with quite broken threading, as if independent conversations that had nothing to do with the original subject. It was at this point, in the early to mid '00s, that there were now 100x+ more 'new' Internet users than us 'old dogs' and... well... they all wanted to 'lecture' us old dogs on how to use the Internet. All prior History, Standards and Considerations be darned. So... what do I do? I just don't argue. I care for the message, not take issue with the messenger. Just a suggestion. I'm fine with people ignoring me. Of course, I'm a clear American Gen-X'er, so I get to laugh when people respond to me with 'Okay Boomer,' as if I'm my father who fought at Khe Sahn in '68 or something. Ignorance is bliss. - bjs P.S. I cannot speak for anyone else, but when I was with Red Hat, we were told not to use our redhat e-mail addresses in public forums and even Upstream contributions not only because it could seem 'official' in the eyes of the greater community, but... we may wish to move to another open source company, and our personal e-mails are best in that regard as well. This, of course, made it more difficult to track Red Hat's overall contributions in the Upstream, but... it made a lot of sense. So I don't blame any LPI Board Member for continuing to use their personal e-mail addrsses, especially since they are largely compensated volunteers (and even have unreimbrised expenses in some cases, because they love LPI and volunteer... although LPI does its best to cover many items) and do it for the greater community. Many represent many other organizations as well, the ones that let them eat, including their own name, for those of us that get most of our work first-hand based on our name and e-mail addresses. -- Sent from my phone, apologies for any brevity as well as autocorrect Bryan J Smith - http://linkedin.com/in/bjsmith On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 05:27 Ottavio Caruso via lpi-examdev < [email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 11:00, Jason Kinney via lpi-examdev > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Top posting is correct email etique when you are replying to an entire > thread rather than specific points. > > There's no such a thing as a thread in email. Thread is a concept for > web forums, social media, etc. > > The fact that you think Unix is a cult is worrying. > > -- > Ottavio Caruso > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev
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