Hi Les,

Thanks very much for your suggestion. I have a quick look at rfc6823. Sounds 
like a good idea. I will think about it.

Cheers,
Tianran

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:47 PM
To: Tianran Zhou <[email protected]>; Christian Hopps <[email protected]>
Cc: wangyali <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Lsr] A new version of I-D, 
draft-liu-lsr-isis-ifit-node-capability-02

Tianran -

I am very much in agreement with the points Chris has made.

IGPs do not exist to advertise capabilities/configure applications - which 
seems to me to be what you are proposing here.
The fact that you can easily define the encodings does not make it the right 
thing to do.

This issue was discussed at length in the context of 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6823 . If you were proposing to use GENAPP I 
would not object - though I do think Chris has correctly pointed out that 
NETCONF/YANG is likely a more appropriate solution for your use case.

   Les


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tianran Zhou <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 7:53 PM
> To: Christian Hopps <[email protected]>
> Cc: wangyali <[email protected]>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) 
> <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Lsr] A new version of I-D, 
> draft-liu-lsr-isis-ifit-node-capability-02
> 
> Hi Chris,
> Thanks for your quick reply, and please see inline.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tianran
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Hopps [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:00 AM
> To: Tianran Zhou <[email protected]>
> Cc: Christian Hopps <[email protected]>; wangyali 
> <[email protected]>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>; 
> [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Lsr] A new version of I-D, 
> draft-liu-lsr-isis-ifit-node-capability-02
> 
> 
> 
> > On Mar 31, 2020, at 9:28 PM, Tianran Zhou <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > ZTR> Let's not boil the ocean to compare NETCONF/YANG or routing
> protocol, which is better. But I did not see the modification to 
> routing protocol with some TLVs is a heavy work, or more complex than 
> NETCONF/YANG.  I see both are available and useful.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by boiling the ocean. I'm saying that YANG 
> is built and intended for querying capabilities and configuring 
> routers. Why isn't that where you are looking first for configuring your 
> monitoring application?
> 
> ZTR> I know NETCONF can do both query and configuration. And I know
> resent YANG-Push improvements to reduce the polling.  But routing 
> protocol solutions are also widely used for this. There are already 
> many RFCs and implementation practices. We considered both ways, and 
> aimed for different scenarios.
> 
> You don't see the major difference between writing a YANG model vs 
> modifying all of the standard IETF routing protocols?
> 
> ZTR> I know many differences between NETCONF and routing protocol.
> There are many details on both interfaces, implementations, scenarios 
> when comparing them. That's what I mean boil the ocean.
> Here I do not know what's the "major difference" you mean?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris.

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