Tony P,

> though this leads to chicken-egg since kafka needs routing to strip
e'thing together

I am not sure I follow the above parenthesis ... Routing will be there
already as we are not talking about any reachability distribution hence I
am not sure where is the chicken-egg dilemma ?

Would you mind clarifying ?

Thx,
R.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:38 PM Tony Przygienda <[email protected]> wrote:

> yupp, if we want IGP involved this is definitely a much more sane
> alternative than the ones proposed. Use IGP only to advertise the SSAP of
> such "notification service" rather than abuse it as a broadcast mechanism.
> And for all practical purposes we can simply advertise something like kafka
> channels ;-) and put it onto an overlay bus (though this leads to
> chicken-egg since kafka needs routing to strip e'thing together). Or we
> could use BIER for that as well where e'one sits on mp2mp thing (and
> filtering translates into bitmask you multicast the notifications to).
>
> As only observation, if we do this service as suggested I would like to
> see not only port & protocol but also the according address of the endpoint
> (since it's really <address/protocol/port> that is the SSAP here.
> Operationally it's very often desirable to know what address stuff shows up
> to especially if there are filtering/reachability considerations ...
>
> -- tony
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 2:05 AM Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> FYI.  This is a better alternative that PUA/Pulse.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
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>> *From: *[email protected]
>> *Subject: **New Version Notification for draft-li-lsr-liveness-00.txt*
>> *Date: *January 18, 2022 at 5:04:22 PM PST
>> *To: *<[email protected]>, "Tony Li" <[email protected]>
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-li-lsr-liveness-00.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Tony Li, and posted to the
>> IETF repository.
>>
>> Name: draft-li-lsr-liveness
>> Revision: 00
>> Title: Node Liveness Protocol
>> Document date: 2022-01-18
>> Group: Individual Submission
>> Pages: 9
>> URL:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-li-lsr-liveness-00.txt
>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-liveness/
>> Htmlized:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-lsr-liveness
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>   Prompt notification of the loss of node liveness or reachability is
>>   useful for restoring services in tunneled topologies.  IGP
>>   summarization precludes remote nodes from directly observing the
>>   status of remote nodes.  This document proposes a service that, in
>>   conjunction with the IGP, provides prompt notifications without
>>   impacting IGP summarization.
>>
>>
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