Ahh ok .. this is "OSPF virtual link" not an emulated "virtual link" seen
as p2p to any routing protocol.

Thx,
R.



On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 7:14 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> There is no tunnel for an OSPF virtual link, the transit area will require
> leaking of backbone routes without summarization. Also note that the
> virtual link endpoint could be reachable in the transit area but may not be
> up. Multi-hop BFD would still be useful for a virtual link.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
>
> *From: *Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
> *Date: *Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:48 PM
> *To: *Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <muthu.a...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <
> lsr@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" <
> draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org>, Acee Lindem <a...@cisco.com
> >
> *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for
> BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04
>
>
>
> Muthu,
>
>
>
> If you are using virtual link why is this still multihop BFD ?
>
>
>
> Thx,
> R.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 6:22 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <
> muthu.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>
>
> Sure, looking forward to the clarification in the draft on multi-hop BFD..
>
>
>
> Just curious, are there interoperable implementations for OSPF multi-hop
> BFD strict mode for virtual links or p2p unnumbered interfaces?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Muthu
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:36 PM Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Muthu,
>
>
>
> When we say a "link" here, it is in the context of the OSPF interface and
> neighbor FSM. My understanding is that this term includes virtual links as
> well. As such, we can add some text in the introduction section to clarify
> the same and also put a reference to RFC5883 for BFD multi-hop use for
> VLINKs.
>
>
>
> I hope that works for you.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 11:05 AM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <
> muthu.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your response..
>
>
>
> The draft says:
>
> <snip>
>
>    This document defines the B-bit in the LLS Type 1 Extended Options
>    and Flags field.  This bit is defined for the LLS block included in
>    Hello and Database Description (DD) packets and
> *indicates that BFD is    enabled on the link* and that the router
> requests strict-mode for BFD.
>
> </smip>
>
>
>
> You don't enable multi-hop BFD on a link, instead you enable it b/w two
> (multi-hop) routers, right?
>
>
>
> How about replacing it with:
>
> indicates that (1) single-hop BFD [RFC5881] is enabled on the link in case
> of point-to-point (numbered) and LAN interfaces, and (2) multi-hop BFD
> [RFC5883] is enabled between the neighbors in case of virtual links and
> point-to-point unnumbered interfaces.
>
>
>
> Also, add a note at the beginning of the draft that BFD refers to both
> single-hop and multi-hop BFD when not explicitly specified..
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Muthu
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 10:40 PM Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Muthu,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your review and your support.
>
>
>
> Regarding your question, I would like to clarify that this document
> doesn't specify BFD operations with OSPF. That was done by RFC5882. Indeed
> for virtual links, there would need to be a BFD multi-hop session and the
> same would apply to p-t-p unnumbered.
>
>
>
> However, I am not sure what specific applicability or operations need to
> be called out for Strict Mode of operations for those links.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 12:52 PM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <
> muthu.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I support the draft. A quick question:
>
> Should it describe the applicability of the mechanism over OSPF virtual
> links and unnumbered interfaces? With virtual links, one would have to
> establish a multi-hop BFD session, so it is slightly different from a BFD
> operational standpoint. For e.g, capability to support single-hop BFD may
> not translate to the capability to support multi-hop BFD..
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Muthu
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:38 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=
> 40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> LSR WG,
>
>
>
> This begins a two week last call for the subject draft. Please indicate
> your support or objection on this list prior to 12:00 AM UTC on February 11
> th, 20222. Also, review comments are certainly welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
>
>
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