Aijun,

Not sure what you mean by "UP" ... we are not talking about "up
signalling".

Make-before-break is not philosophy but operational reality. And if the
operator wants a solution to be contained in the IGP what I described will
not hurt anyone.

Sure operator may choose to deprefer service layer before planned
maintenance and if so additional UPA signalling will do nothing - but will
also not hurt anyone.

Thx,
R.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:06 AM Aijun Wang <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi, Robert and all:
>
> “UP” is an unnecessary definition for one imaginary scenario——if
> make-before-break is the philosophy, why the operator doesn’t switch over
> in advance the planned maintenance egress PE to other available egress PE
> on the ingress PE, instead to bother the IGP to accomplish such aim?
>
> Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
>
> On Apr 23, 2025, at 22:51, Robert Raszuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 
> > ok, I'm fine adding some text for your case.
>
> Thx Peter !
>
> It is not "my use case" but ability to trigger UPA for make-before-break
> which I think always is rather a good thing.
>
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 4:40 PM Peter Psenak <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> On 23/04/2025 16:35, Robert Raszuk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>>> If the egress PE is the only BGP NH, then reacting to max-metric or
>>> OL-bit set would make some BGP destinations unreachable.
>>>
>>>
>> Well this entirely depends on how one reacts on UPA if UPA is signalling
>> the only one left BGP path/NH as down irrespective of the trigger. Does it
>> stop the service to the destination or not ...
>>
>> If there are alternate paths the best path can install new next hop.
>>
>> If there are no alternate paths I would rather keep one installed active
>> - for example to address the case where one ABR can still reach egress PE
>> and the other one generated UPA.
>>
>> So why not trigger UPA in such cases to hint him to switch to alternate
>>> next hops if available ?
>>>
>>> I'm not saying it can not be done. The implementation can chose to
>>> advertise the UPA for the summary component prefix if the such prefix
>>> metric in the source area/domain crosses certain value or if the prefix
>>> originator is overloaded.
>>>
>> But this would make it not compliant with current text in section 4 which
>> was the main point of my question. So why not leave the door a bit open for
>> it in the spec ?
>>
>> ok, I'm fine adding some text for your case.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> Thx,
>> R.
>>
>>
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