Well, the crux of the problem as I see it is that Object in the sense of an Object Table in the schema is not the same animal as an Astronomical Object. Quite. So it gets a bit confusing. Especially since that mapping changes as knowledge changes. Astronomical Object is a perfectly appropriate thing to call a Thing, but then we have to constantly re-determine if an Astronomical Object and and Object are the same thing (Thing) or not. Its nomenclature, but I've watched it get tripped over several times.

Jeffrey P Kantor wrote:
I think our UML model calls a Thing an Astronomical Object...see the Domain
Model:Catalogs:Astronomical Object classes...

From: Deborah Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: IPAC/SSC
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:57:35 -0800
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Subject: Re: [LSST-data] Notes from Database telecon Wed Nov 29

Actually, to me, "detection" sounds like a single data point in one band
on one night....  If I were starting from
scratch, I'd try to find a nomenclature that has separate and not easily
confused  words for each of these things:

A single extractable flux from one filter at one observational epoch; a
single data point; a detection
All the extractable fluxes in all filters for one position for one
observational epoch; a visit
All the extractable fluxes in all filters which are believed to belong
to the same physical celestial entity; an "object"?
The actual physical celestial entity; a star, galaxy, solar system
object, etc. which is what I called Thing.  Starting from scratch I
might call this an "object" or a "source"

Kem Cook wrote:
I think we should use detection for Deborah's Thing.

Kem

Hi All,
--> Deborah will try to summarize what info related to
    confused/resolved objects will be readily needed
    from database from a scientist point of view
Deborah has so attempted, the result is attached!

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