Hello Marcel,

Marcel Berteler wrote:
> Gudmund Areskoug wrote the following on 19/02/2007 13:46:
>> Other than that, the stumbling blocks that come to my mind, are those:
>> - New thin clients are expensive in many regions (e. g. Sweden), reusing
>> old "fat computers" isn't, but is less neat.
>>   
> LTSP Thin Client do not have to be expensive. If the organisation is
> willing to go for less known brands, you can easily get thin clients for
> under 200 Euro and if you go directly to the source in Taiwan or to the
> importers in Europe, you can get them for under 150 USD.

I'd be very happy to receive some addresses. ATM, things seem to be
covered, but otherwise, the quantity needed would have been some 15
clients or so. For Uppsala, Sweden.

> Refurbished machines might seem cheap as you do not have to buy them,
> but in general, you end up spending money on cleaning them and making
> sure you have a limited amount of different hardware version you need to
> support.

Yes, the quality of the old thick machines being reused as thin clients
is an issue. At the beginning, we had problems with that. Nowadays
however, there seem to be so many machines around for free that are good
enough, that the main issue is inserting a PXE NIC.

If one machine/piece of hardware is broken, it gets replaced. Actual
fixing and error searching is for "later", or left as an opportunity for
students to learn things.

> Our experience tells us that refurbished machines end up costing much
> more than new thin clients because of the high failure rates and the
> refurbishment process. I would not recommend anybody to go with
> refurbished machines unless they are all the same and not older than 2
> years.

I think the price picture and market in the country you're in can make a
decisive difference.

>> - The same stumbling blocks apply as for any other Linux migration,
>> possibly compounded by how to set up Wine/Crossover to serve legacy
>> Windows app's from a server, including propagating sound and Windows
>> app's being made as single machine app's (e. g. need to access a CD
>> drive etc.)
>>   
> There are really neat mini-ITX machines available that take the (cheap)
> full size optical drives so access to that would not be an LTSP stopper.

I've got 31-in-1 Sprachen from Berlitz/The Learning Company (a Windows
only app). This app will not accept the access to the CD that
Wine/Crossover can offer it. Possibly, some workaround might exist. If
anyone knows it, I'll (again) be happy to know :).

BR,
Gudmund

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