> At the risk of sounding like one of Badru's "elite",  The fact is that I
> have
> not seen evidence of anyone blocking someone else's quest to acquire
> knowledge. The resources are out there on the internet and if anyone is
> not
> taking part, its is simply because they have not made any effort to
> actually
> do so. For example the Afnog workshops: The annoucements are forwarded and
> broadcast to all of the lists but only after taking the effort to call
> some
> people up and actually encourage them to apply, do you get them making an
> effort. I still reiterate that this has no relation at all with the ccTLD
> and
> how it is managed.

Noah

how about the masses who do not have access to the internet which at last 
estimation would be over 90% of our population.  "If they have no bread, then 
let them eat cake!"  That's your position.  You are not sounding like my elite 
your are being a first class elite, which is not deliberate but just happens to 
be the case. (if it aint broken why fix it??)

Your points make sense but forgive me for being brutal but they are abit 
blinkered.  The world is big out there, it is changing and we all need to be 
part of that change.  


> 
>> Decisions on the future of the internet are being made all around us at
> home through the regulator and also >internationaly however in uganda it's
> always the same "usual suspects" who attend and at times contribute >very
> little or the contribution is totally ignored.
> 
> 
> Again because of the point I raised. Everyone has access to these things.
> They are on the internet, the announcements are public and participation
> is
> free most of the time. For example there are a number of Afrinic LIRs in
> Uganda, but the chances are low that you'll find Ugandans at the meetings.
> Not because some "elite" are blocking them, but clear lack of interest or
> such things are low on their list of priorities. 
> 
> 
>>We have created and empowered a small elite which controls the internet
> in
> uganda with little regard to >others.  Unfortunatley this comes all the
> way
> to the top.  And before anyone says it i'm part of it :-).  So >unpopular
> as
> it might be to a few we need a body that will be accountable to a cross
> sector of the >population.
> 
> 
> My point is that this very apathy that afflicts our internet community is
> certainly going to afflict this body as well. Creating yet another body on
> top of the many existing ones is not the way to go and in any case we can
> form the body without entrusting it with the .ug ccTLD. if the purpose is
> about empowering the users and getting more participation, then I do not
> see
> where the ccTLD comes in. As I said before, I do not see the need to
> entrust
> a fledging organisation whose stability is not proven with one of the most
> critical resources we have especially when what we have currently works.
> 
> 
> Noah.


 You mention apathy well the 10% might be in that state but the 90% are hungry 
and need to be given the access.  You might not see the relation to .UG and 
maybe it is not there.  My association to that (.UG) is that in a number of 
other countries it's been used as the focus to break the divide and remove that 
appathy.  But with a neutral empowered body which is not government, not a 
regulator and not a private entity.  

Forgive my naivity but i don't beleive all ugandans are crooks and incompetent 
that an NGO will end up like the ones you refer to as reasons against the 
suggestion.  



> 

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