Distance = Cost The larger the distance between the user and the content they want to access, the larger the cost. Someone has to pay for all the infrastructure in between. Here in Uganda, most users want to access content hosted in Europe/America (e.g. Facebook, other websites). That's expensive, because the communications have to travel via Kenya, the ocean, Europe, possibly another ocean (the Atlantic), etc -- and all the way back.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:49 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > David, > > Yes we have figured out the last mile to the customer, (LTE, 3G, Fixed > Wireless, Wimax, Airmux, etc) What of carrying the 'message' from Mombasa > all the way to 'Okwii Telecel' Headquaters in Kansanga and then dropping it > off to the distribution point ? > > Uganda being inland adds more to the cost of delivery. Even if Okwii Telecel > has a good rate per Mb at the POP in Mombasa, some entity/third party has > got to carry it inland from Mombasa to say the Ugandan Border (Busia for > example) that comes at additional cost <$$$>, your inland carrier will most > likely charge extra if you want your link to have protection/redundancy > <$$$> You will also need an entity to carry it from Busia to Okwii Towers > at Kansanga so probably you will contact UETCL, thats an additional cost > <$$$$>. You might even go a step further and procure some fancy equipment > for your Core to push this bandwidth to your distribution sites, so you will > go to EADB and get a load to invest in your infrastructure, you have > convinced the board that this LTE stuff is a game changer.. that its going > to push some serious packets at a speed faster than light and your board > approves the loan... thats a debt (time bound) <$$$$$$>, your sites need to > stay up 247 so you need to burn fuel at sites where there is no grid power > etc.<$$$$$$$$>, if you are are on a site sharing arrangement you still have > to pay the monthly fee <$$$> > > So David, as CEO of OKwii Telecel, at what price will you sell your various > bandwidth/internet packages so that you can fulfill your daily operating > expenditures and also realise your ROI in the medium to long term as you > factor in your current subscriber base and anticipated subscriber growth > (Subscriber numbers) ? > > > > Baldwin > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:57 AM, David Okwii <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I still don't understand. Is bandwidth expensive because of the 'medium' >> or the 'message'. I know the 'message' can't exist without the 'medium' and >> the form of the medium used can affect the overall cost of transmitting the >> message. But for the most part, we have figured out how to use wireless >> technologies; 3/4G/Wimax etc to circumvent cost implications that often come >> with wired channels such as digging around and paying the municipalities. So >> for last mile connectivity, wireless mediums can deliver good-enough speeds, >> right. 4G LTE theoretically delivers 150Mbps. I know someone would argue >> that mobile data tech is hard to provision bandwidth because of the mobility >> nature of the targets, but then we can fixed wireless like those 4G routers >> are stationary at customer's premises. This wouldn't make any difference >> than if the bandwidth were delivered with copper ADSL, right? >> >> So is it the medium or the message? >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:30 AM, [email protected] >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Cheers mate! >>> >>> Baldwin >>> >>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 at 07:29 Arthur B. Niwagaba <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Baldwin, >>>> Thanks very much for the above well articulated writeup. I must say it >>>> has answered most of my questions. Though abit deep technically, but it is >>>> on point and has been helpful. >>>> >>>> On 21 March 2017 at 20:22, [email protected] >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Arthur, >>>>> >>>>> WARNING: LONG POST - i might via off topic but you can pick out what is >>>>> useful to you. By Fixed Line, i will be referring to FTTX and ADSL >>>>> (Copper). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ********************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> Is the reason for poor fixed line penetration mainly because the core >>>>> infrastructure does not exist, or is it that it is hugely expensive, or >>>>> both? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To complement Marks submission on FTTX from a Service Provider ( SP) >>>>> perspective, >>>>> >>>>> From scratch; >>>>> >>>>> Last Mile- Initial investment would include laying Fiber To The >>>>> Premise/Building/Curb/Office all the way from the SP Point of Presence, >>>>> last >>>>> mile to customer's premises. Fiber could be over head or underground and >>>>> each of these scenarios come with different set of requirements like over >>>>> head would require poles or underground would require digging of trenches, >>>>> fiber ducts and man holes, Then in comes the local councils and municipal >>>>> license fees for digging some times the process is ridiculous. In short >>>>> the >>>>> price of laying fiber per km varies from place to place. i would throw >>>>> this >>>>> an average of UGX 1,500,000 per 500 meters. >>>>> >>>>> That is from the last mile perspective. They also need to factor in >>>>> backhaul capacity, thats an additional cost if non existent or if >>>>> additional >>>>> capacity is required. >>>>> >>>>> Equipment:- Depending on the vendor the pricing of Core FTTX >>>>> equipment/node varies, a basic, refurbished/second hand EPON FTTX Optical >>>>> Line Terminal (OLT) which just one line card of 8 PONS each supporting 64 >>>>> customers would go for about $3600. One will need the splitters, these >>>>> start >>>>> from about $200 up words depending on the ones configuration. Then the >>>>> CPE's/ONU, these vary depending on whether its EPON or GPON (more >>>>> expensive) >>>>> and also the port density of the CPE ( a 4 port EPON costs more than a >>>>> single port, a 4 Port GPON costs more than a single port GPON.. etc) I >>>>> would >>>>> give a single port EPON ONU about $40 - $90 per unit off Alibaba but >>>>> because >>>>> these ONU/equipment are not not vendor inter-operable, the price of the >>>>> ONU >>>>> will be much higher say $200 or more. >>>>> >>>>> Price of Internet (MRC) - After all is said and done about equipment >>>>> etc it all comes down to the monthly recurring cost of internet packages >>>>> being sold over FTTX by the SP. would it make business sense for the SP to >>>>> sell 128Kpbs, 256kbps or 512Kbps ? In my little experience, FTTX is pushed >>>>> to or taken up by higher end clients who can meet the high MRC for >>>>> dedicated >>>>> internet of 1Mbps and above, you are looking at give or take UGX 900,000 >>>>> per >>>>> month. Not a cup of tea withyou bread for many folks/SOHO's. >>>>> >>>>> ADSL (Fixed Copper) >>>>> All that i have written above (price of Internet and last miles cables >>>>> works) on FTTX applies to ADSL, only that ADSL is copper. Secondly from a >>>>> Equipment perspective, ADSL is somewhat cheaper. DSLAMS/MSANS nodes and >>>>> ADSL >>>>> Modems are cheaper on average. Since ADSL is copper, its susceptible to >>>>> degradation depending on the distance of client from the DSLAM (the nearer >>>>> you are the better the performance), the quality of copper (Copper >>>>> degrades >>>>> over time, 10 years or there about is so one might experience slow speeds >>>>> when it rains) >>>>> >>>>> IMHO Fixed Line over copper is on a downward trend because Copper theft >>>>> is the order of the day, its somewhat not a worthwhile investment anymore >>>>> because of the cable theft. Manholes are broken, copper is cut and stolen >>>>> so >>>>> often and yet pvc copper cables are hardly sold off the shelf ready to use >>>>> as it was in the the past. You have to place your order then they will >>>>> manufacture and lead time can come to 60-90 days (manufacture and >>>>> shipping). >>>>> its way easier to find a drum of fiber than one of copper in the local >>>>> market. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fixed Wireless is easier to install, many SPs are using a free ISM >>>>> frequency, No digging trenches/duct, fees to the Municipal Council. >>>>> >>>>> To sum up the above, The fixed line infrastructure does exist to some >>>>> extent but where it does exist, its being cannibalized (especially that on >>>>> copper). Fixed Wireless is a suitable alternative solution. The Fixed Line >>>>> core equipment is affordable to many service providers but Its more >>>>> expensive to install Fixed Line Infrastructure in comparison to Fixed >>>>> Wireless especially in virgin areas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What are the current indicative market costs of fixed lines (phone and >>>>> internet) in Uganda? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The markets costs vary depending on the internet package one needs. You >>>>> can either have a shared broadband fixed line service (Contention based ) >>>>> or >>>>> the dedicated bandwidth. Shared service would be cheaper than the >>>>> dedicated >>>>> because its shared whereas dedicated is dedicated :-) The initial cost >>>>> (Setup fees, CPE) for FTTX is relatively prohibitive for the ordinary >>>>> person >>>>> if on average is user is subscribing to 1Mbps dedicated. I have not come >>>>> across a shared broadband service (contention based) over FTTX. Fixed Line >>>>> over copper is way cheaper that that over FTTX. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Baldwin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Arthur B. Niwagaba >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fixed wireless links are common in Uganda. I have one, and it's great. >>>>>> Who is your provider Kyle? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's more reliable than overhead fibre and I pay by the bit. >>>>>> How are they charging you and how much? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 March 2017 at 17:28, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fixed wireless links are common in Uganda. I have one, and it's >>>>>>> great. >>>>>>> It's more reliable than overhead fibre and I pay by the bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most countries in sub-Saharan Africa have similarly low fixed-line >>>>>>> penetration numbers, and similarly high mobile penetration numbers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Arthur B. Niwagaba >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > Thanks much for the insight. I though would like to hear from those >>>>>>> > with >>>>>>> > fixed lines from some providers...UTL, Airtel, Africell,MTN etc >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On 21 March 2017 at 16:54, Mark Tinka <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On 21/Mar/17 15:34, Arthur B. Niwagaba wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On average, how much can it cost, going by the leading providers >>>>>>> >> of FTTx >>>>>>> >> to office or home? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Depends on the market. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On the low-end, it can be US$5/km/customer. On the high-end, it >>>>>>> >> can be >>>>>>> >> US$30/km/customer. This is not including the electronics required >>>>>>> >> to power >>>>>>> >> the fibre, or even other logistical requirements like way leaves, >>>>>>> >> e.t.c. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Yes i have a mobile phone on 4G service. I am on average paying >>>>>>> >> for UGX >>>>>>> >> 35,000 for 1GB, limited bundle. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> So you do have an Internet service :-). It might not be a fixed >>>>>>> >> service to >>>>>>> >> your home or office, but it is still an Internet service. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Mark. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Arthur B. 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Niwagaba [Bsc, Msc, CEH, CISA, PRINCE2] >>>>>> Infosec and Forensics Consultant >>>>>> Tel: +256701-775370 / +256773-730818 >>>>>> >>>>>> "Electronic Crime must be contained" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>>>>> (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible >>>>>> for >>>>>> them in any way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>> >>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>> >>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>> >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>>>> any way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Arthur B. 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