Actually, cost of marine distance is not a factor, typically. The main issue is the cost of terrestrial infrastructure, as there is less competition there, more demand there, and less capacity there, compared to submarine capacity.
Mark. On 24/Mar/17 10:35, Kyle Spencer wrote: > Distance = Cost > > The larger the distance between the user and the content they want to > access, the larger the cost. Someone has to pay for all the > infrastructure in between. Here in Uganda, most users want to access > content hosted in Europe/America (e.g. Facebook, other websites). > That's expensive, because the communications have to travel via Kenya, > the ocean, Europe, possibly another ocean (the Atlantic), etc -- and > all the way back. > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:49 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> David, >> >> Yes we have figured out the last mile to the customer, (LTE, 3G, Fixed >> Wireless, Wimax, Airmux, etc) What of carrying the 'message' from Mombasa >> all the way to 'Okwii Telecel' Headquaters in Kansanga and then dropping it >> off to the distribution point ? >> >> Uganda being inland adds more to the cost of delivery. Even if Okwii Telecel >> has a good rate per Mb at the POP in Mombasa, some entity/third party has >> got to carry it inland from Mombasa to say the Ugandan Border (Busia for >> example) that comes at additional cost <$$$>, your inland carrier will most >> likely charge extra if you want your link to have protection/redundancy >> <$$$> You will also need an entity to carry it from Busia to Okwii Towers >> at Kansanga so probably you will contact UETCL, thats an additional cost >> <$$$$>. You might even go a step further and procure some fancy equipment >> for your Core to push this bandwidth to your distribution sites, so you will >> go to EADB and get a load to invest in your infrastructure, you have >> convinced the board that this LTE stuff is a game changer.. that its going >> to push some serious packets at a speed faster than light and your board >> approves the loan... thats a debt (time bound) <$$$$$$>, your sites need to >> stay up 247 so you need to burn fuel at sites where there is no grid power >> etc.<$$$$$$$$>, if you are are on a site sharing arrangement you still have >> to pay the monthly fee <$$$> >> >> So David, as CEO of OKwii Telecel, at what price will you sell your various >> bandwidth/internet packages so that you can fulfill your daily operating >> expenditures and also realise your ROI in the medium to long term as you >> factor in your current subscriber base and anticipated subscriber growth >> (Subscriber numbers) ? >> >> >> >> Baldwin >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:57 AM, David Okwii <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I still don't understand. Is bandwidth expensive because of the 'medium' >>> or the 'message'. I know the 'message' can't exist without the 'medium' and >>> the form of the medium used can affect the overall cost of transmitting the >>> message. But for the most part, we have figured out how to use wireless >>> technologies; 3/4G/Wimax etc to circumvent cost implications that often come >>> with wired channels such as digging around and paying the municipalities. So >>> for last mile connectivity, wireless mediums can deliver good-enough speeds, >>> right. 4G LTE theoretically delivers 150Mbps. I know someone would argue >>> that mobile data tech is hard to provision bandwidth because of the mobility >>> nature of the targets, but then we can fixed wireless like those 4G routers >>> are stationary at customer's premises. This wouldn't make any difference >>> than if the bandwidth were delivered with copper ADSL, right? >>> >>> So is it the medium or the message? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:30 AM, [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Cheers mate! >>>> >>>> Baldwin >>>> >>>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 at 07:29 Arthur B. Niwagaba <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hello Baldwin, >>>>> Thanks very much for the above well articulated writeup. I must say it >>>>> has answered most of my questions. Though abit deep technically, but it is >>>>> on point and has been helpful. >>>>> >>>>> On 21 March 2017 at 20:22, [email protected] >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Arthur, >>>>>> >>>>>> WARNING: LONG POST - i might via off topic but you can pick out what is >>>>>> useful to you. By Fixed Line, i will be referring to FTTX and ADSL >>>>>> (Copper). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ********************************************************* >>>>>> >>>>>> Is the reason for poor fixed line penetration mainly because the core >>>>>> infrastructure does not exist, or is it that it is hugely expensive, or >>>>>> both? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To complement Marks submission on FTTX from a Service Provider ( SP) >>>>>> perspective, >>>>>> >>>>>> From scratch; >>>>>> >>>>>> Last Mile- Initial investment would include laying Fiber To The >>>>>> Premise/Building/Curb/Office all the way from the SP Point of Presence, >>>>>> last >>>>>> mile to customer's premises. Fiber could be over head or underground and >>>>>> each of these scenarios come with different set of requirements like over >>>>>> head would require poles or underground would require digging of >>>>>> trenches, >>>>>> fiber ducts and man holes, Then in comes the local councils and municipal >>>>>> license fees for digging some times the process is ridiculous. In short >>>>>> the >>>>>> price of laying fiber per km varies from place to place. i would throw >>>>>> this >>>>>> an average of UGX 1,500,000 per 500 meters. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is from the last mile perspective. They also need to factor in >>>>>> backhaul capacity, thats an additional cost if non existent or if >>>>>> additional >>>>>> capacity is required. >>>>>> >>>>>> Equipment:- Depending on the vendor the pricing of Core FTTX >>>>>> equipment/node varies, a basic, refurbished/second hand EPON FTTX Optical >>>>>> Line Terminal (OLT) which just one line card of 8 PONS each supporting >>>>>> 64 >>>>>> customers would go for about $3600. One will need the splitters, these >>>>>> start >>>>>> from about $200 up words depending on the ones configuration. Then the >>>>>> CPE's/ONU, these vary depending on whether its EPON or GPON (more >>>>>> expensive) >>>>>> and also the port density of the CPE ( a 4 port EPON costs more than a >>>>>> single port, a 4 Port GPON costs more than a single port GPON.. etc) I >>>>>> would >>>>>> give a single port EPON ONU about $40 - $90 per unit off Alibaba but >>>>>> because >>>>>> these ONU/equipment are not not vendor inter-operable, the price of the >>>>>> ONU >>>>>> will be much higher say $200 or more. >>>>>> >>>>>> Price of Internet (MRC) - After all is said and done about equipment >>>>>> etc it all comes down to the monthly recurring cost of internet packages >>>>>> being sold over FTTX by the SP. would it make business sense for the SP >>>>>> to >>>>>> sell 128Kpbs, 256kbps or 512Kbps ? In my little experience, FTTX is >>>>>> pushed >>>>>> to or taken up by higher end clients who can meet the high MRC for >>>>>> dedicated >>>>>> internet of 1Mbps and above, you are looking at give or take UGX 900,000 >>>>>> per >>>>>> month. Not a cup of tea withyou bread for many folks/SOHO's. >>>>>> >>>>>> ADSL (Fixed Copper) >>>>>> All that i have written above (price of Internet and last miles cables >>>>>> works) on FTTX applies to ADSL, only that ADSL is copper. Secondly from >>>>>> a >>>>>> Equipment perspective, ADSL is somewhat cheaper. DSLAMS/MSANS nodes and >>>>>> ADSL >>>>>> Modems are cheaper on average. Since ADSL is copper, its susceptible to >>>>>> degradation depending on the distance of client from the DSLAM (the >>>>>> nearer >>>>>> you are the better the performance), the quality of copper (Copper >>>>>> degrades >>>>>> over time, 10 years or there about is so one might experience slow >>>>>> speeds >>>>>> when it rains) >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO Fixed Line over copper is on a downward trend because Copper theft >>>>>> is the order of the day, its somewhat not a worthwhile investment anymore >>>>>> because of the cable theft. Manholes are broken, copper is cut and >>>>>> stolen so >>>>>> often and yet pvc copper cables are hardly sold off the shelf ready to >>>>>> use >>>>>> as it was in the the past. You have to place your order then they will >>>>>> manufacture and lead time can come to 60-90 days (manufacture and >>>>>> shipping). >>>>>> its way easier to find a drum of fiber than one of copper in the local >>>>>> market. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fixed Wireless is easier to install, many SPs are using a free ISM >>>>>> frequency, No digging trenches/duct, fees to the Municipal Council. >>>>>> >>>>>> To sum up the above, The fixed line infrastructure does exist to some >>>>>> extent but where it does exist, its being cannibalized (especially that >>>>>> on >>>>>> copper). Fixed Wireless is a suitable alternative solution. The Fixed >>>>>> Line >>>>>> core equipment is affordable to many service providers but Its more >>>>>> expensive to install Fixed Line Infrastructure in comparison to Fixed >>>>>> Wireless especially in virgin areas. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What are the current indicative market costs of fixed lines (phone and >>>>>> internet) in Uganda? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The markets costs vary depending on the internet package one needs. You >>>>>> can either have a shared broadband fixed line service (Contention based >>>>>> ) or >>>>>> the dedicated bandwidth. Shared service would be cheaper than the >>>>>> dedicated >>>>>> because its shared whereas dedicated is dedicated :-) The initial cost >>>>>> (Setup fees, CPE) for FTTX is relatively prohibitive for the ordinary >>>>>> person >>>>>> if on average is user is subscribing to 1Mbps dedicated. I have not come >>>>>> across a shared broadband service (contention based) over FTTX. Fixed >>>>>> Line >>>>>> over copper is way cheaper that that over FTTX. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Baldwin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Arthur B. Niwagaba >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Fixed wireless links are common in Uganda. I have one, and it's great. >>>>>>> Who is your provider Kyle? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's more reliable than overhead fibre and I pay by the bit. >>>>>>> How are they charging you and how much? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 March 2017 at 17:28, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Fixed wireless links are common in Uganda. I have one, and it's >>>>>>>> great. >>>>>>>> It's more reliable than overhead fibre and I pay by the bit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most countries in sub-Saharan Africa have similarly low fixed-line >>>>>>>> penetration numbers, and similarly high mobile penetration numbers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Arthur B. Niwagaba >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thanks much for the insight. I though would like to hear from those >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> fixed lines from some providers...UTL, Airtel, Africell,MTN etc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 March 2017 at 16:54, Mark Tinka <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 21/Mar/17 15:34, Arthur B. Niwagaba wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On average, how much can it cost, going by the leading providers >>>>>>>>>> of FTTx >>>>>>>>>> to office or home? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Depends on the market. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On the low-end, it can be US$5/km/customer. On the high-end, it >>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>> US$30/km/customer. This is not including the electronics required >>>>>>>>>> to power >>>>>>>>>> the fibre, or even other logistical requirements like way leaves, >>>>>>>>>> e.t.c. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes i have a mobile phone on 4G service. I am on average paying >>>>>>>>>> for UGX >>>>>>>>>> 35,000 for 1GB, limited bundle. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So you do have an Internet service :-). It might not be a fixed >>>>>>>>>> service to >>>>>>>>>> your home or office, but it is still an Internet service. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Arthur B. 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Niwagaba [Bsc, Msc, CEH, CISA, PRINCE2] >>>>>>> Infosec and Forensics Consultant >>>>>>> Tel: +256701-775370 / +256773-730818 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Electronic Crime must be contained" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>>>>>> (including attachments if any). 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Niwagaba [Bsc, Msc, CEH, CISA, PRINCE2] >>>>> Infosec and Forensics Consultant >>>>> Tel: +256701-775370 / +256773-730818 >>>>> >>>>> "Electronic Crime must be contained" >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>> >>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>> >>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>> >>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>> attachments if any). 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