Dear Martyn, it may be indeed that there is a direct link between the Mandora and the early six-string lute guitar but to me it seems difficult to find hard evidence. Lute instruments were made into lute guitars quite some time before 1828 if we may believe Jacob August Otto who testifies to this in a book published in 1828 (he writes about newly built lute guitars, too). There are some extant lutes made into six string instruments but these seem all to be of a later date (one or two possible exceptions - but these show suspicous features ...). However, I think there was a time (roughly around 1800) when lutes and guitars began to -- say -- "exchange ideas" [;)] ...
Joachim "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >I presume you're both aware of Molitor's report in the early 1800s that he met >a Mandora player (precursor of the German 'lute guitar'?) who told him he had >changed to single strings like the contemporary guitar since it was >easier............ > >Martyh Hodgson > >Kenneth Sparr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Dear Joachim, > >I'm sure there a lot of things concerning the history of the lute and the >guitar in the early 20th century that are still uncovered. Your article >indeed was a substantial contribution to our knowledge and I thank you for >that. As Scholander made such a great success in Germany I find difficult to >believe that he didn't exercise a considerable influence even if he didn't >had contact with the Scherrer-circle (or the other way round?). > >Concerning the single-string lute question the Swedish lute (or Sittra as it >was also called) already got its single strings as early as the end of the >18th century, but it developed from the cittern. Certainly there is more >research needed also concerning the development of the Swedish lute. > >I searched Bacher's Lautenfibel for many years and finally found it via >ZVAB, the excellent German search engine for antiquarian books. It may have >some Internet when we describe the "renaissance" of lute playing from >tablature. > >Best wishes > >Kenneth Sparr >Stromstigen 25 >S-149 51 Nynashamn >SWEDEN > >Telephone: +46-852015561 >www.tabulatura.com >e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Från: Joachim Lüdtke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Skickat: den 9 oktober 2005 20:07 >Till: Kenneth Sparr; lute-list (Renaissance) >Ämne: Re: [LUTE] The German lute movement and the guitar-lute > >Dear Kenneth, > >thank you for your mail - I didn't know that my article would be of interest >to anyone outside Germany although I know that the guitar lute and its >relatives were not confined to the German spoken countries. > >I have not mentioned Scholander because I am unsure about the extent to >which he influenced the singers of "lute songs" and the lute players in the >Germany of his time and because he seems to have had no contact to the >Scherrer-circle. In changing the Swedish lute into a single string >instrument he may be seen as following a process which started in the early >nineteenth century. > >Where did you find Bacher`s Fibel? Thank you for drawing our attention to >it. I will try to find a copy. > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with >voicemail >-- > -- Dr. Joachim Luedtke Frühlingsstraße 9a D - 93164 Laaber Tlf.: ++49 / +9498 / 905 188 Mobil: 0172 / 275 49 48 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
