On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Andrew Gibbs wrote:

> Not that I'm in any position to be questioning Nigel North's
> technique but shouldn't these pieces be played thumb-under, little
> finger on the soundboard and with the right hand closer to the bridge?

The little finger can still anchor the RH even though the hand  
changes position, horizontally or vertically.

Conventional wisdom seems to have it that thumb-out is okay for  
Dowland because he was most probably playing thumb-out towards the  
end of the 16th century.

I noticed on those clips that NN's right hand thumb does slip behind  
his fingers occasionally.  He seems to be playing with that kind of  
hybrid technique that more or less leaves the fingers more or less  
where they are for either thumb-out or thumb-under.  That method  
doesn't require much change in RH position to bring the thumb over  
the fingers instead of behind them.  In fact, as long as the thumb is  
busy playing bass notes the question of thumb under/out doesn't arise.

We seem to have two different sets of iconography:  artists'  
impressions in old paintings and modern-day photographic, as well as  
actual visual, evidence.  Past and present iconographies don't always  
show the same thumb-out position.  Most lutenists I've seen in live  
performance, in video's, in photo's accompanying CD notes or on  
personal websites, play Baroque music with this hybrid technique, and  
not in the more severe style depicted in the old paintings.

Apparently thumb-under is not recommended for playing Baroque music,  
but possibly might be acceptable if said Baroque music is played on a  
renaissance lute.  So is the Earl of Derby's Galliard renaissance or  
Baroque?  I dunno, it's very confusing.  Does it really matter that  
much...  ;-)

DR




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