I agree. There is nothing "inauthentic" in Nigel's style. ed
At 02:52 AM 7/18/2007 -0700, David Tayler wrote: >There may be an undertow gluing me to my computer monitor... but I >think one can only play > that well by using historical technique, which is what Nigel does >so very well. >He simply bases his style on original source material. >dt > >At 02:37 PM 7/17/2007, you wrote: > >It seems to me that a lot of the controversy over this set of recordings is > >centered around how good Mr. North plays; which seems to imply that no one > >can play this good using historical methods. I know, no one has said that > >specifically, but there seems to be an undertow to that effect; thumb out, > >thumb in, moving the right hand up and down the length of the strings at the > >rose, and a floating pinky. Something to think about at the least. > > > >Vance Wood. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bruno Correia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <[email protected]> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:57 AM > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel on YouTube > > > > > > > David, what I meant by bending of the last joint is exactly what you > said. > > > The finger does not remain bended but rather in a flexible state when in > > > touch with the strings. In classical guitar it is maintained straight > when > > > plucking, however, I've seen people bending it ocasionally. > > > > > > > > > 2007/7/17, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> > > >> I think it is interesting that when we actually hear someone playing > > >> historically, we wonder if it is. > > >> As for bending the last joint of the finger, that is a tricky > > >> question. If you grab and bend the last joint, > > >> you often will make a scratchy sound; if the joint is flexible and > > >> bends slightly backwards, yielding to the thread of pressure from the > > >> finger, wrist, and arm, you can strike both strings with no fear of > > >> the dreaded buzz. > > >> That said, there are many ways to strike a string, or groups of strings. > > >> Lotta reverb on that video :) beautiful playing. > > >> > > >> dt > > >> > > >> > > >> At 09:26 AM 7/16/2007, you wrote: > > >> >The question of nails just arose because I felt the sound was extremely > > >> >focused, almost as if he was playing on a single string with nails. > > >> >Also, > > >> if > > >> >you notice his right hand, the fingers are been used as in classical > > >> guitar > > >> >technique where you don't bend the last joint. That's how I started out > > >> >playing, but soon as I cut the nails I had to bend the last joint to be > > >> able > > >> >to grab both strings together. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >2007/7/16, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> > > > > >> > > On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Andrew Gibbs wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Not that I'm in any position to be questioning Nigel North's > > >> > > > technique but shouldn't these pieces be played thumb-under, little > > >> > > > finger on the soundboard and with the right hand closer to the > > >> bridge? > > >> > > > > >> > > The little finger can still anchor the RH even though the hand > > >> > > changes position, horizontally or vertically. > > >> > > > > >> > > Conventional wisdom seems to have it that thumb-out is okay for > > >> > > Dowland because he was most probably playing thumb-out towards the > > >> > > end of the 16th century. > > >> > > > > >> > > I noticed on those clips that NN's right hand thumb does slip behind > > >> > > his fingers occasionally. He seems to be playing with that kind of > > >> > > hybrid technique that more or less leaves the fingers more or less > > >> > > where they are for either thumb-out or thumb-under. That method > > >> > > doesn't require much change in RH position to bring the thumb over > > >> > > the fingers instead of behind them. In fact, as long as the > thumb is > > >> > > busy playing bass notes the question of thumb under/out doesn't > > >> > > arise. > > >> > > > > >> > > We seem to have two different sets of iconography: artists' > > >> > > impressions in old paintings and modern-day photographic, as well as > > >> > > actual visual, evidence. Past and present iconographies don't > always > > >> > > show the same thumb-out position. Most lutenists I've seen in live > > >> > > performance, in video's, in photo's accompanying CD notes or on > > >> > > personal websites, play Baroque music with this hybrid > technique, and > > >> > > not in the more severe style depicted in the old paintings. > > >> > > > > >> > > Apparently thumb-under is not recommended for playing Baroque music, > > >> > > but possibly might be acceptable if said Baroque music is played > on a > > >> > > renaissance lute. So is the Earl of Derby's Galliard renaissance or > > >> > > Baroque? I dunno, it's very confusing. Does it really matter that > > >> > > much... ;-) > > >> > > > > >> > > DR > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > >> > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >-- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 > > > 5:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 >6:30 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
