abebooks is indeed a good place to look for used books. You can search abebooks and other antiquarians all at once if you use the Karlsruhe Connection--last column for book dealers.
http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib/en/kvk.html (Do not use that top line for input. Use _specific_ author, title lines.) The HUP Francesco edition comes around now and then. About $US200 seems to be the going price. Beware there is the "Books on Demand" reprint that you can purchase from ProQuest for $US150. Some dealers are selling the BOD reprint for $200 and higher. And the wholesale price they pay is about $US85. You need to take care with book prices on the Internet, especially eBay and Amazon. I saw a book on eBay for $200 (2 hundred) and using the Karlsruhe Connection found it elsewhere for $10 (ten). About its real value. =====AJN (Boston, Mass.)===== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:57 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: New piece of the month | Thank you very much, Arthur, for your excellent explanations about concordances, sources and the complexity involved in researching them. | Just one little point, about Musica Nova : it IS OOP but you can find several good second-hand copies on specilised sites like Abebooks. If Martin follows the link below he should find something interesting there. I bought a second-hand copy a little while ago and it is in perfect condition. | Here's the link : | http://www.abebooks.fr/servlet/SearchResults?an=Slim&kn=music&sortby=3&sts=t&tn=Musica+Nova&x=0&y=0 | | (Unfortunately, I could NOT find a decent copy of your da Milano edition so far... ;-( !!! ) | | Good luck, all the best, | | Jean-Marie | | ======= 08-03-2008 23:31:03 ======= | | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >Cc: "Lute Net" <[email protected]> | >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:37 AM | >Subject: Re: [LUTE] New piece of the month | > | >| Dear Arthur, | >| | >| Thanks - I thought you might be interested! I had not realised | >it was | >| in Mertel as well, and now I look at it and it raises another | >| interesting question, because the Mertel text is practically | >identical | >| to Hirsch - where did they both (20 years apart and in | >different | >| countries) get this version? | > | >Hello Martin, | > | ><<ajn>>In working with early sources of lute music one must | >realize that | >literally tons of the stuff have been lost. And surely some if | >not much is lost without a trace. We know about Petrucci's book | >III (Gian Maria Allemani) because Ferdinando Columbus owned a | >copy (destroyed in the Lisbon Earthquake) and the surviving | >library | >catalogue describes the volume. Otherwise we would just know | >that there | >should be a book III someplace. But by whom? And when? And if | >the vols. were not numbered, we'd not even suspect that such a | >book ever existed. There are | >contracts with printers that indicate in the 16th century the | >usual press | >run for a book of lute music was about 1250-1500 copies. And | >when you look around for surviving copies, how many are there? | >Usually about a half dozen. More usually only a single copy | >survives. Or none as with Gian Maria and Segni. In other words a | >book of lute music has one chance in | >a thousand of reaching us today. And the chances are smaller | >with manuscripts that originally existed in one copy. THat would | >make the chance of a piece in a manuscript having one chance in a | >million of surviving to our age! | > | >And there is a fantasia in the Siena manuscript copied about 1595 | >that was first published in a corrupt version in Paris in 1529. | >No other copy/version is known. That's even a longer | >period. And it surely did not derive from a corrupt version. And | >there are no other sources for the piece which | >surely originated in Italy, perhaps from the pen of Francesco. | > | >|I suppose Mertel must have raided some | >| English sources (the very next piece in Mertel is a Fantasia by | >| Holborne, also in Hirsch but a tone lower) but it seems | >| unlikely that he | >| would have had access to Hirsch itself. | > | ><<ajn>>There were probably intermediary sources. The pieces in | >Mertal | >are unattributed, but are overwhelmingly by Continental composers | >Perrichon, Laurencini, Galilei, M. Newsidler, Francesco, Cato. | >The contents are reminiscent of Besard's _*Thesaurus*_ of 1603. | >And large numbers of pieces still remain unidentified. | >| | >| I would value your opinion on another pair of pieces: Recercar | >terzo | >| from da Crema's 1546 book, and Siena f.4 (no.52 in your | >Francesco edition). There are some curious discrepancies between | >| the two versions, though they are clearly both based on the | >same | >| "original" (by Segni?). | > | ><<ajn>>Which original do you mean? Segni just has a ricercar with | >the same openiojg theme. The version publ. in da Crema and | >attributed to "Francesco de | >milan" is in the HUP edition as Appendix 6. As such it does not | >appear | >in the surviving pieces by Segni, and so perhaps we should accept | >da Crema's attribution. The da Crema version has additional | >ornamentation, as do the other works. I think the original was | >composed as | >SATB or SAT part music, as da Crema indicates on the titlepage in | >regard to | >Segni, "intabulati & accomodati per sonar sopra il Lautto di M. | >Jo. Maria da Crema . . ." | > | >| Talking of Segni, is Slim's edition of Musica Nova still | >available? | > | >Apparently it's OOP. | > | >| I would like to acquire a copy, even if most of the Segni | >pieces | >adapted | >| for the lute are not in it, if my reading of Brown is correct. | >| | > | ><<ajn>>No. Slim and Brown were close friends and surely kept one | >another | >informed. Slim did a very good job in tracking down lute | >versions of Segni's ricercars. I only found two pieces Colin | >missed, and I'll tell you about them a few paragraphs below. | >Once again we are dealing with the chance survival of 16th | >century music. Of Segni's publication _*Musica Nova*_ (Venice | >1540), only the bass part book survives. That's it. All gone. | >However a | >pirated(?) French edition appeared in Lyons with many of the same | >pieces (as can be determined from the bass part). So that is | >how Colin put together his edition of Musica Nova. But only a | >few of the Segni works were arranged for lute. The many lute | >arrangements that we do have probably came from a Segni | >publication that is entirely lost. Some time around 1550 Segni | >published an edition of some 50 "Recercari, intabulature da | >organi et da tocco". And an edition like that is probably the | >source | >from which people like da Crema made their lute arrangements. I | >wonder if that volume also included Francesco's works as well. | >Because Segni and Francesco were colleagues at the papal court. | > | >Colin missed a Francesco ricercar (No. 86) which appears in Music | >Nova (No. XI). Both sources date from about the same time, so to | >whom do we grant priority? Did Segni arrange a Francesco lute | >piece for organ? | > | >I discovered another fun Segni concordance in Domenico | >Bianchini's tablature book (Venice 1546). Two ricercars are by | >Segni. (Another one on "Faulte d'Argent" is in the style of | >Cavazzoni.) One of the Segni ricercars is in Musica nova but | >Colin missed it because the opening is embellished in Bianchini's | >lute arrangement. I was curious about that p[iece because so | >much of the music in Bianchini's book is rather primative. The | >work of an untrained amateur. So what were the finely wrought | >ricercars doing there? Segni was first organist at St. Mark's in | >Venice before going to Rome and joining Francesco. And | >Bianchini? He was a master mosaicist and member of a family of | >mocaicists who worked in St. Mark's! When Bianchini was working | >high up on the scaffold, Segni might very well be down below | >practicing the organ. I wonder if Bianchini sometimes played his | >lute arrangements down to Segni?<g> A kind of heavenly echo. | >The beginnings of cori spezzati? | > | >| Best wishes, | >| | >| Martin | >| | >| Arthur Ness wrote: | >| | >| >Dear Martin, | >| > | >| >That is an interesting pair of works that you published. The | >| >Hirsch version is the same as a fantasia (or fuga--the titles | >are | >| >not specific for each piece) in Elias Mertal, _Hortus | >Musicalis | >| >Novus_ (Strasbourg 1615), No. 79 (pp. 222-3). Probably the | >| >proper | >| >title is Fuga. I have a transcription (App. 4) like yours in | >| >parallel systems, and can send it if you are interested. I do | >| >think quite | >| >a few of Francesco's works were conceived as ensemble part | >music, | >| >including several pieces called "fuga." Not necessarily was it | >| >by Julio da Modena. | >| > | >| >Judging from the ornamentation, the Hirsch/Mertel version was | >| >second, and an attempt to make the piece canzona-like. | >| > | >| >Or I'll post the transcriptions to my site. Let me know. | >| > | >| >Best regards, Arthur. | >| >=====AJN (Boston, Mass.)===== | >| >* Free Download of the Week from Classical Music Library: | >| > | >| >For this week's free download from Classical Music Library go | >to | >| >my web page | >| >and click on Alexander Street Press link: | >| > | >| >http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ | >| > | >| >*Vaughan Williams'_ Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis___* | >| >performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher | >| >Seaman, conductor. More | >| >information about this piece is available on our music blog | >| ><http://alexanderstreet.typepad.com/music>. | >| > | >| >For some free scores, go to: | >| >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ | >| >=================================== | >| > | >| >----- Original Message ----- | >| >From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >| >To: "Lute Net" <[email protected]> | >| >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:06 AM | >| >Subject: [LUTE] New piece of the month | >| > | >| > | >| >| Dear All, | >| >| | >| >| The new Piece of the Month for March is now available on | >| >| | >| >| www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm | >| >| | >| >| Downloads are available as Fromino, Tab, PDF and MP3. | >| >| | >| >| I hope your copy of Acrobat reader behaves better than | >mine - | >| >it seems | >| >| to be picking up the wrong file even though I've | >double/triple | >| >checked | >| >| that the links are correct. Please let me know if there are | >| >any other | >| >| problems. | >| >| | >| >| My web host has told me that, due to an upgrade, there may | >be | >| >some | >| >| disruption to service between 11pm this evening and 5am | >| >tommorrow - I | >| >| don't imagine this will be a problem for anyone in Europe | >but | >| >some of | >| >| you may be farther-flung. | >| >| | >| >| Best wishes, | >| >| | >| >| Martin | >| >| | >| >| | >| >| | >| >| To get on or off this list see list information at | >| >| http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html | >| >| | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| | >| | > | > | > | > | | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://poirierjm.free.fr | 09-03-2008 | | | |
