Dear Timo and Rob
I don't have that much experience with the sound of gut strung 11c
lutes, but this one seems very sweet in the top and mid, no hint of
woodyness, which you some times have with a new lute in that area.
I have only just tuned it up, and probably not in the ideal 6th
comma, but it does seem good.
These are my very first impressions; It is gorgeous in the hands form
a playing point of view, as light as feather, it feels.
Regards
Anthony
Le 17 juin 08 à 12:32, Peedu Timo a écrit :
Dear Anthony,
Congrats of your new lute. Will we see photos of it soon?
Timo
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Lähettäjä: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lähetetty: 17. kesäkuuta 2008 12:50
Vastaanottaja: [email protected] Net
Aihe: [LUTE] New Baroque lute/Meantone
Dear lutists
Another very basic question about Meantone tuning. As we have taken
on board the idea that the 'old ones' first tuned the top string to
breaking point and then tuned up the other strings in relation to
that (I know this is probably not necessarily true, in particular for
Baroque lute).
However, taking that idea on board, if we consider that the top
string on a modern G lute is generally strung so as to be played at G
(LA 440Hz) and that the top string is chosen to be near breaking
point at G, do we have to be careful about adding the small per cents
that we sometimes have to add for particular 6th comma tunings.
I imagine these differences are so small (e.g. 3;3% in D. v. O's
table) that this could only matter if we took the notion of "up to
breaking point" too literally.
Now, I have just received my new 11c lute, and it is quite splendid,
but I was told by Stephen Gottlieb by mail that it had been set up
with the frets in 6th comma. I just want to tune it up to try it, and
I am not worried about acheiving the right 6th comma for the
particular tonality of any specific piece. In which 6th comma variant
would a Baroque lute most likely to have been tuned? The strings are
new (only three days on the instrument, so they have obviously gone
quite far out of tune and don't give any indication, except the
possible 410Hz diapason.
I would like to set my Turbo tuner with one of these, at least to
have a rapid but safe tune up. (I have a feeling the lute has been
tuned to LA 410, although LA 392 might be better for a 70cm lute to
save the top strings).
I know, I should do this by ear, but with a new lute, and never
having played an 11c, well ....
So should I go for 1/6th Comma Meantone with an Equally Tempered Root
of A, or C. I am thinking the frets have probably been set with one
variant in mind.
Petersen Chart:
Here are the offsets for 1/6th Comma Meantone where A=440Hz:
[b][i]Note_____Offset[/i][/b]
C________+04.9
C#_______-06.4
D________+01.7
Eb_______+09.8
E________-01.6
F________+06.5
F#_______-04.9
G________+03.3
Ab_______-08.2
A________-00.0
Bb_______+08.1
B________-03.2
1/6th Comma Meantone with an Equally Tempered Root of C:
[i][b]Note_____Offset[/b][/i]
C________+00.0
C#_______-11.3
D________-03.2
Eb_______+04.9
E________-06.5
F________+01.6
F#_______-09.8
G________-01.6
Ab_______-13.1
A________-04.9
Bb_______+03.2
B________-08.1
This from D.v.O. be better, actually it appears indicate a root of A,
http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/david/writings/meantone_p_bestanden/
silbermann.JPG
I am tempted to go for the root of A, simply because both the above
include this, but F is +06,5% (ok that can't do any harm to the top
string, can it?)
I am going to contact Stephen to check, but I am a little impatient,
having already thoroughly photographed it.
Regards
Anthony
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