Martyn
It is because you said, "Note that beef (bull?) gut is mentioned", Beef is not "bull", so I wondered where you had got the idea from. MP said he was probably not speaking very fluently. The main thing is that the two string types, are not identical.
Anthony


Le 26 nov. 08 à 10:05, Martyn Hodgson a écrit :



I wasn't confused about bull and Toro bros! Tthe beef issue comes from Universale's earlier web page (mentioned in the Aug 2007 discussion I
   mentioned).

   I'm surprised we don't know more of the Toros business.

   MH
   --- On Tue, 25/11/08, Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

     From: Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
     Subject: [LUTE] Re: Universale
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Daniel Winheld"
     <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
     Cc: "lute List" <[email protected]>
     Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 11:07 PM
Dear Martyn and Daniel and all
     I think there may have been a lot of background noise during
your conversation with Mimmo, and I think I have understood roughly
the cause of the confusion.

In fact, what Mimmo must have said was that one family of gut string
makers was providing all these strong strings for Universale, La
Folia, and Baroco, and that is the Toro Brothers (The Toro family are
from the city of Salle, province of Pescara in the region of Abruzzo,
Italy).
This has nothing to at all to do with the strong strings made by
Mimmo himself..

When Mimmo mentioned 'Toro", you may have understood the related word

"tauro" (bull), possibly the meaning of the name. You then perhaps
thought that Mimmo was referring  to the material from which the
strings were made:
made from tauro, rather than by Toro.

The Toro brothers use indifferently beef and ram. (perhaps not
actually ram, possibly "mutton", but I am not sure about that. Ram
strings are brown simply because they do not use peroxides on it,
while they do use it on the beef gut.

Mimmo's strings are usually semi-rectified, but this may not be the
case with the Toro brother's strings.
Also Mimmo's strong strings are unvarnished, just oiled. This might
not be the case with the Toro either.

Perhaps Daniel can enlighten us on this last point, as he is using them.
Best wishes
Anthony


Le 25 nov. 08 A  09:36, Martyn Hodgson a A(c)crit :



    I had a long conversation with Mimmo at last week's exhibition in
   London. One of the things we discussed was strong trebles: he
said (if
   I understood him right) that ALL these higher tensile gut
strings are
   made by the same Italian manufacturer who sells them to various
   retailers.

   Incidentally, an earlier email about Universale strings and
responses
   is to be found in the archives. Ref below. Note that beef
(bull?) gut
   is mentioned.

Gut strings - 'Universale corde musicali'

   Friday, 24 August, 2007 4:10 PM

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